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Marek
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Italy
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Posted - 15 Sep 2008 :  23:13:43  Show Profile  Visit Marek's Homepage Send Marek a Private Message
Here more questions from the community:

Bane doesn't have martial weapons proficiency and can only use the gauntlet. We heard he's been cursed by Tempus but would like to know more about this topic and other interesting info on this god.

How exactly Bane, Bhaal and Myrkul ascended to godhood?

Thanks!
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A Publishing Lackey
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Posted - 15 Sep 2008 :  23:30:42  Show Profile  Visit A Publishing Lackey's Homepage Send A Publishing Lackey a Private Message
Marek, I think all of these questions have been discussed (your second one several times over) here at the Keep, so the answers you seek should all be "written on the scrolls here." Sage? Wooly Rupert? Kuje?
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GoCeraf
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Posted - 16 Sep 2008 :  00:47:17  Show Profile  Visit GoCeraf's Homepage Send GoCeraf a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by createvmind

Hello All,

Ed I'm curious as to the origins of vampires in faerun, did the first vampires come from another plane to faerun and if not do you have an origin story? In the dragon rage novels, Brimstone was able to travel about due to imbuing a collar he wore with the essence of his "coffin" so to speak, if any original ancient vampires still exist in faerun did they have ways of achieving this as well. Due to the nature of magic on faerun I assume just like beholders, there are many types of vampires with various powers and abilities, is this so and can you provide any lore on this topic?

What occurs if a vampire drinks dead blood or another vampire for that matter?

Thanks as always



While I can offer little in the way of lore, I could probably tackle the mechanics of what you're asking, pertaining to vampires drinking dead blood or vampiric blood.

Most importantly, vampires can actually go, according to the rules presented in Libris Mortis, up to a year and a half without feeding on the blood of a living creature. This stands to reason a certain "metabolic" resilience. I'd imagine that the blood of the recently deceased (i.e., an opponent slain in battle) would prove to be about as sustaining as "live blood."

On the other hand, there's probably a certain rush that a vampire gets from biting into a living artery, since the cardiac muscle action would still be function, and blood would pump directly from the wound.

[/morbid]

Regardless, I suspect that any vampire would prefer living victims to dead ones, and the longer things are necrotic, the less a vampire would want to feed from them.

As for vampires drinking from other vampires, I doubt it can be done. It's not so much a supernatural limitation, but vampires really don't have any blood of their own. The same is true for most other undead. This results in their cold skin temperature and almost universally pallid complexion.

Now that I think about it, I've never seen a zombie film in which the zombies go after one another. ::Shrugs::


Being sarcastic can be more telling than simply telling.
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Ardashir
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Posted - 16 Sep 2008 :  01:42:08  Show Profile  Visit Ardashir's Homepage Send Ardashir a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Blueblade

Well, I'm obviously not Ed, but I'd guess Ed's answer is going to point you at the fact that everybody in the Realms "believes in" ALL of the gods, so a government, regardless of alignment (and what gov't, beyond an absolute tyranny or tightly-ruled theocracy, ever really is just one alignment, anyway?), would never think of NOT tolerating a religion. Covertly working against its agents and devout followers who follow clerics' commands over local laws, yes.
That's the way I'd DM it, anyway.
BB



Yes, but some religions are stated as always working against the law of the land (Shar, Talos), so I can't see very many governments being willing to tolerate them.
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The Sage
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Posted - 16 Sep 2008 :  01:45:06  Show Profile  Send The Sage an AOL message  Click to see The Sage's MSN Messenger address  Send The Sage a Yahoo! Message Send The Sage a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by A Publishing Lackey

Marek, I think all of these questions have been discussed (your second one several times over) here at the Keep, so the answers you seek should all be "written on the scrolls here." Sage? Wooly Rupert? Kuje?

Indeed.

Marek, I'd search through the "So Saith Ed" archives, as Ed has touched on various aspects of the questions you've asked here. See the link in my signature.

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gomez
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Posted - 16 Sep 2008 :  07:02:54  Show Profile  Visit gomez's Homepage Send gomez a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

I also have much 3e-current lore (e.g. Cormyr, the completely detailed city of Teziir) that's essentially complete, but has been "orphaned" by the time-jump, and am looking to WotC for some answers as to when and how we'll see this lore published.



One way is to work with the LFR volunteers, and see if parts can be used by them (seeded in adventures etc), or of they can aid in adapting it to 4th ed.
I'd be interested to work on Dalelands lore and help to adapt it to 4th ed (using the plans we have and the few things we have already seeded or worked out).
I think much lore is not too hard to carry over. A good idea will work pre- and post-Spellplague. Realistically, you would not even need to change most NPCs, since the only person who would know that these were people from a different time than the one published in is you, and that may be a small leap as you already have your own campaign timeline.
And anyone who wishes to continue play in, say, post-plague Cormyr could well take a 4th ed Teziir writeup, make the small adjustments (references to 4th ed NPCs etc), and use it in 3rd ed. (possibly well aware that that was what it was ment for... ah, the irony ;) ).
I know you seek to help us (and I value any advice or ideas you can give in between hectic schedules), but I think it may work to also use the incredible force of volunteers to your own advantage and see if it can lighten the load. Or have THO do it for you - I am sure she 'll enhoy whipping us into action.
Hmm.
I should probably not have mentioned whips there...

Gomez
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Marek
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Posted - 16 Sep 2008 :  13:04:01  Show Profile  Visit Marek's Homepage Send Marek a Private Message
Thanks guys, I gave a look and I think I'll have to spend more time to check.
I have another question though.

Is there a list of all Thayan enclaves in the Realms? I realized those listed in the paragraph in Lords of Darkness are not all.

Thanks!
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The Hooded One
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Posted - 16 Sep 2008 :  15:40:54  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message


Hello again, all scribes. I bring to you a brief Realmslore reply from Ed of the Greenwood to this query from Baleful Avatar: “Oh, and just so my questions don't always sound like "fix my campaign please" queries, I have a very different one: in Waterdeep and Baldur's Gate, circa 1374 DR, what's the "hottest" fashion in lady's hats or hairdos, if any?”
Ed replies:


Ah, something I have sitting at my fingertips! Herewith, a swift reply:
The hottest fashion in feminine hair fashion is long, free-flowing hair down the back of the head and the shoulders and back below that, that is held “up” just in front of the crown of the scalp with an elaborate hair-comb (with upward-projecting spikes, so it looks like a tiara projecting up through the hair) that ends, on the back of the head, with a decorative weave of wires (think elaborate “open” knots akin to real-world Celtic knotwork) that gathers the “fall” of hair through a large defined ‘tube’ or oval of wire. So the fall of hair is really a gigantic ponytail, spread out wide by the knots.
Those who lack long hair of their own buy woven wigs of washed, combed, sorted, and dyed real hair, originally belonging to multiple others, that attach with hooks and clips to this back-of-the-head knotwork of the hair-comb (bald individuals wear chinstrap thin flesh-hued cords that hold the comb to their scalps).
This hairdo is known as “the ar-fall.”
The most fashionable headgear (for wearing over hair) is a prowed, peaked soft leather cap (think Hollywood Robin-Hood caps), fashioned to be very long and thin, that is attached to the hair-comb so it won’t fall off easily AND to keep it raked at an angle to one side of the head, and always “prow low in front, rear up at back.” Such caps always sport at least two large, fluffy feathers (from peacocks or other birds with large, colorful tailfeathers or flight feathers), one of each side of the cap. That’s the minimum; fops and the haughty may wear caps with nine or more feathers stuffed in, though all of them will be raked back (plumes to the rear). Caps of this sort are even appearing that have gauze-work woven among the feathers to support many tiny dangling “sparkle” faceted gemstones.
Such caps are formally known as “fancy-mes” but have now become more commonly known as “dees” (corruption through usages).
If Waterdhavian fashion patterns hold true, the hairdo and the cap will enjoy about the same period of wide popularity: two seasons. Thereafter, they will be used by those who want to signal they are NOT “irresponsible younglings” for another two seasons, and then retained by a few individuals for decades.


So saith Ed. And there you have it: detailed Realmslore of the sort we all love. Concise, easily ignored (without umbrage) if your campaign doesn’t need it, and embraced if it’s useful. Just like Ed.
love to all,
THO
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Na-Gang
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Posted - 17 Sep 2008 :  09:21:50  Show Profile  Visit Na-Gang's Homepage Send Na-Gang a Private Message
Further to the above lore on ladies' hair fashion and headgear, can Ed furnish us with the latest styles in Waterdhavian gentleman's tailoring for the same period?
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StarBog
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Posted - 17 Sep 2008 :  09:57:24  Show Profile  Visit StarBog's Homepage Send StarBog a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Na-Gang

Further to the above lore on ladies' hair fashion and headgear,



I see Ed is channelling his inner Robert Jordan

Now we need to find out if THO tugs her braids as well
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 17 Sep 2008 :  15:04:03  Show Profile  Visit Rinonalyrna Fathomlin's Homepage Send Rinonalyrna Fathomlin a Private Message
Wonderful answer! Wish I could see an illustration, though.

"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
--Richard Greene (letter to Time)
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Blueblade
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Posted - 17 Sep 2008 :  15:27:53  Show Profile  Visit Blueblade's Homepage Send Blueblade a Private Message
Heh. I want illustrations of a LOT of choice Realms scenes and elements. Alustriel's court orgies, for instance . . .
Seriously, though, I'd give a lot for really good, up-close portraits of what the Chosen really look like, Mirt, the Knights of Myth Drannor, all of the Obarskyrs, Vangerdahast . . . as Ed sees them. No "mood" lighting, no disguises, just good clear depictions of their faces, and a whole-body shot that captures, by dress and pose, something of their character and what they "normally look like."
Part of me is really annoyed that Dragonlance got this about six times over, what with all the cover paintings, Leaves From books, comics, game products, et al . . . and if you look at the Realms, we never really did. Oh, we sure know what VOLO looks like, but . . .
BB
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Baleful Avatar
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Posted - 17 Sep 2008 :  15:53:58  Show Profile  Visit Baleful Avatar's Homepage Send Baleful Avatar a Private Message
I would even buy a Realms CCG if it got us beautifully-painted portraits of FR characters.
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Sage of Stars
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Posted - 17 Sep 2008 :  15:56:50  Show Profile  Visit Sage of Stars's Homepage Send Sage of Stars a Private Message
Bite your tongue, BA! No matter how much they might deny it, some WotC staffers DO read Candlekeep carefully and daily, you know - - don't give them ideas!!!
Be careful what you ask for sure applies here. Yes, the cards could be beautiful. Then again, they could be like far too much of the art we've seen in recent years, where an artist decided a character's looks, hair and eye color, apparent age, and even gender and race could all be changed on a whim!
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A Gavel
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Posted - 17 Sep 2008 :  16:02:02  Show Profile  Visit A Gavel's Homepage Send A Gavel a Private Message
Hmmm, nae so far-fetched, when you think about it.
If we're doing dumbed-down family D&D, why not a Guillotine or Great Dalmuti-level card game using Cormyr, for instance? Cards for Vangey, Alaphondar, Laspeera, all the Obarskyrs and a lot of nobles (some young ambitious pawns, a lot of old matriarchs and patriarchs who hate the royal family, and a few mavericks like the Wyvernspurs). A stocking stuffer purchase for old Realms fans, and (properly done) could be a darned good game for newer gamers.
And just in case any WotC staffers are reading this, I hand the idea freely and fully over to Wizards of the Coast, who are the proper owners of it in any case. (And I'm a judge, so my legal opinion is worth something.)
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Aseran
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Posted - 17 Sep 2008 :  16:18:00  Show Profile  Visit Aseran's Homepage  Send Aseran an AOL message Send Aseran a Private Message
I've got a query for Mr. Greenwood, concerning some of the newest Realms material!

Out of all the work published for the latest edition of Forgotten Realms, it's Returned Abeir which intrigues me the most, and specifically the new continent that's appeared west of Faerun ("Laerakond"?). In the book, we get a cursory glimpse at the place and a concise summation of what it's about, but what do you feel about it is most different from Faerun; what sets it apart in the sense that it was a world split apart from what we know at what was practically the dawn of time?

Do you envision a vastly different culture there among the people, something a bit skewed from the traditional medieval-fantasy most of Faerun encompasses? What about the land itself? We already know about the striking appearance of the sky; do you envision the laws of nature there to behave differently, because it was shaped by primordials rather than gods?

Or did you, as may have been the idea all along, never really intend to go into this kind of detail on it, perhaps the idea being that it's for FR players to shape as they will?
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 17 Sep 2008 :  18:45:00  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hello again, all. I bring you Ed of the Greenwood's reply to Aseran:


Hi, Aseran. I'm not sure how much detail the 4e Wizards design team intended the "new continent" of Returned Abeir to have (lighter than 3e, yes, but how much lighter, I'm not sure). From my point of view, the FRCG wordcounts meant many areas (notably the Sword Lands and the southerly ports) don't have enough. Specifically, just to start a short list:
What does the countryside look like? How good are the roads? Road signage? Inns?
Patrolled, law-abiding, or "your sword your own justice," or wild? Monster-roamed, or not?
Major imports? Exports? What are the local jobs, and what industries or trades "rule"?
Politics and government, enforcement and trials/courts/if any?
Architecture and local "character"? Adventure hooks/brewing problems?
That sort of thing. Short detailings of all of these can give DMs a lot more to go on without restricting DM or FR novel writer creativity.
I hope I can fill in some of those gaps as web columns; I've been communicating with Wizards staffers as to when and how, but nothing's been settled yet.
Stay tuned, as I try. :}


So saith Ed. Who's "on the job" as we speak.
love to all,
THO
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Aseran
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Posted - 17 Sep 2008 :  19:21:27  Show Profile  Visit Aseran's Homepage  Send Aseran an AOL message Send Aseran a Private Message
quote:

I hope I can fill in some of those gaps as web columns; I've been communicating with Wizards staffers as to when and how, but nothing's been settled yet.
Stay tuned, as I try. :}



That's awesome; I really appreciate the answer (and wow, fast)!

I know that I for one am eagerly eyeing Dragon for new bits of information, like the article that was recently published about Gontal. For my part, in the meantime I'm taking all that's been said so far, and just mixing in a lot of random, exotic flavor, like instead of the usual European vibe, something like a mixture of remote real-world aboriginal, "isolated" cultures in going with the angle that they've developed differently, but brought up to the Realms' high-medieval level of technology and culture, and that's not even to speak of the new and completely different feel of things like the Dragonborn and the Eminence of Araunt (which is one thing I am just massively intrigued by).

The tuned, I'm stayin'.
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createvmind
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Posted - 17 Sep 2008 :  20:33:51  Show Profile  Visit createvmind's Homepage Send createvmind a Private Message
Hello All,

Ed whats below the city of Scornubel and whats below that?
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Blueblade
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Posted - 18 Sep 2008 :  16:01:04  Show Profile  Visit Blueblade's Homepage Send Blueblade a Private Message
Thanks for jogging my brain, Asaran.
A friend of mine who attended this last GenCon told me that Ed created the Araunt lore, so I'm looking for anything else he could be induced to "spill" here, for patient scribes (hint, hint). Ed? Lovely THO? Feeling generous?
(Oops. Memo to self: Must NEVER say that to THO. Er, again.)

BB
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Jamallo Kreen
Master of Realmslore

USA
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Posted - 18 Sep 2008 :  19:13:44  Show Profile  Visit Jamallo Kreen's Homepage Send Jamallo Kreen a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Marek

Here more questions from the community:

...

How exactly Bane, Bhaal and Myrkul ascended to godhood?

Thanks!


I think the story was told in Faiths and Pantheons (AD&D 2). It is probably repeated on Wikipedia.

If you play the Age of Worms adventure path on Toril, it is implied that Jergal had a grand plan which required him to take a lesser divine status so that he could safely recover everything in the future (i.e., the 1370s DR).

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The Sage
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Posted - 19 Sep 2008 :  01:31:18  Show Profile  Send The Sage an AOL message  Click to see The Sage's MSN Messenger address  Send The Sage a Yahoo! Message Send The Sage a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Jamallo Kreen

quote:
Originally posted by Marek

Here more questions from the community:

...

How exactly Bane, Bhaal and Myrkul ascended to godhood?

Thanks!


I think the story was told in Faiths and Pantheons (AD&D 2). It is probably repeated on Wikipedia.
'Tis actually from Faiths & Avatars -- [pg. 37].

There's also a few more details in the section for the Jathiman Dagger in Faith & Pantheons on pg. 169. The ascension of Bane, Bhaal, and Myrkul also comes from Faiths & Pantheons -- the Mezeketh Isle map key section in "Places of Worship" and the sidebar on pg. 170.

Brian's Grand History of the Realms references a few bits and pieces as well. As does his "Ironfang Keep" article at WotC:- http://wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/drfe/20071107a

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Jamallo Kreen
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Faiths and Pantheons ... Faiths and Avatars ... Deities & Demigods ... Legends & Lore ... it's all one great blur to me!






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Verghityax
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Posted - 19 Sep 2008 :  11:25:52  Show Profile  Visit Verghityax's Homepage Send Verghityax a Private Message
Dear Ed and lovely Lady Hooded One,
Just a quickie today. Has Hillsfar (in Maalthiir's times) got any coat-of-arms? If yes, how does it look like?

Edited by - Verghityax on 19 Sep 2008 12:03:14
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Baleful Avatar
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Canada
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Posted - 19 Sep 2008 :  15:37:23  Show Profile  Visit Baleful Avatar's Homepage Send Baleful Avatar a Private Message
Dear Ed and Lady THO,
My Realms question for today concerns Cormyr, and "rebel teenagers" (of both genders and all actual ages). We know that nobles can be "rakes" (wenching, drinking, vandalizing rips, like the young noble characters Ed and Elaine portrayed in the novel CITY OF SPLENDORS), but are NON-noble "rakes" tolerated? Do they exist? Are they the sort of role models younglings and teenagers would want to be like? And what about young, rebellious females? Can they be rakes, or do they "act up" some other way?
Garen Thal?
Thanks!
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