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Menelvagor
Senior Scribe

Israel
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Posted - 27 Aug 2008 :  14:18:13  Show Profile  Visit Menelvagor's Homepage Send Menelvagor a Private Message
Oh! Sorry! It's just that other questions were answered, so I thought the lady didn't see it!

"Shall mortal man be more just than God? shall a man be more pure than his maker?
Behold, he put no trust in his servants; and his angels he charged with folly.
How much less them that dwell in houses of clay, whose foundation in the dust, are crushed before the moth?" - Eliphaz the Temanite, Job IV, 17-19.

"Yea, though he live a thousand years twice, yet hath he seen no good: do not all go to one place?" - Ecclesiastes VI, 6.

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Ashe Ravenheart
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Posted - 27 Aug 2008 :  15:09:36  Show Profile Send Ashe Ravenheart a Private Message
THO,

Would Ed be interested in having an assistant/indentured servant/slave that would work for mere scraps and could help him in various degrees of searching and cataloging Realmslore?

I can send my resume with a bribe, if that would help!


I actually DO know everything. I just have a very poor index of my knowledge.

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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 27 Aug 2008 :  15:32:48  Show Profile  Send The Sage an AOL message  Click to see The Sage's MSN Messenger address  Send The Sage a Yahoo! Message Send The Sage a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Menelvagor

Oh! Sorry! It's just that other questions were answered, so I thought the lady didn't see it!
Here's another tidbit from the Lady Hooded One that should help you to understand how the Q&A process works with Ed:-

"Ed did get your question and will get to it. When he or I respond to later questions first, it's either due to the nature of the request or because we happen to have the answer handy (e.g. Ed has recently been doing Realms work or looking something up for another Realms writer that involved dredging up lore that can now be used right away in the answer, rather than being hunted for)."

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Menelvagor
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Israel
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Posted - 27 Aug 2008 :  15:42:32  Show Profile  Visit Menelvagor's Homepage Send Menelvagor a Private Message
Thank you very much! I am enlightened! One must pursue knowledge, and make mistakes to gain it ! (or some such wise saying of some old sage...)

"Shall mortal man be more just than God? shall a man be more pure than his maker?
Behold, he put no trust in his servants; and his angels he charged with folly.
How much less them that dwell in houses of clay, whose foundation in the dust, are crushed before the moth?" - Eliphaz the Temanite, Job IV, 17-19.

"Yea, though he live a thousand years twice, yet hath he seen no good: do not all go to one place?" - Ecclesiastes VI, 6.

"There are no stupid questions – just a bunch of inquisitive idiots."

"Let's not call it 'hijacking'. Let's call it 'Thread Drift'."
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Liliella
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Posted - 27 Aug 2008 :  16:13:21  Show Profile  Visit Liliella's Homepage Send Liliella a Private Message
Hi Ed and THO,

I’ve had a hunt around to see if the answers to these questions have already been given, but I’m no master of the search function, and haven’t come across anything, so forgive me if they have been answered already. I’ll also mention that I’m still playing 3e and haven’t read anything on 4e yet, so my queries relate to that, and I don’t know whether any of the deities mentioned are gone in the new Realms.

I’m aware that you are a little wary of providing too much detail with regards to religious ceremonies in the Realms, and that the post by Wooly Rupert a few back mentioned that questions about the gods were difficult to answer. Having said that, I’ve seen a couple of similar questions to this answered, and so I was wondering if you could provide some information on wedding ceremonies that might be held by clerics of the following deities: Sune, Chauntea, Lliira and Lathander. What format do they take? Do the participants wear any special clothing? Are they held at particular times of day or night? How do wedding guests participate?

My other musing was on ceremonies that might be held after the birth of a child, similar to our real-world christenings. Are there such things as blessings or naming ceremonies for infants in the Realms? And if so, do they vary from deity to deity, and how would the chosen deity affect that child’s affinity with them in the future?

Thanks in advance, and feel free to ignore this if it falls under ‘questions that are just too awkward to answer’.
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The Red Walker
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Posted - 27 Aug 2008 :  16:13:42  Show Profile  Send The Red Walker a Yahoo! Message Send The Red Walker a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

.... As for the voices in El's head, the questions you pose are very good ones, but are specifically NDA: they are what you'll have to wait until Ed's next novel (after this December's THE SWORD NEVER SLEEPS, which deals with we Knights) to get answers for.....

love,
THO




Lovely Lady,

Did you just say that Ed's next Realms novel deals with Eminster and the voices in his head?

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Kuje
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Posted - 27 Aug 2008 :  16:35:05  Show Profile  Send Kuje an AOL message  Click to see Kuje's MSN Messenger address  Send Kuje a Yahoo! Message Send Kuje a Private Message
Ed gave us some of Lliira's back on January 30, 2005. The others he hasn't supplied any text about.

quote:
Originally posted by Liliella

wedding ceremonies that might be held by clerics of the following deities: Lliira



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The Sage
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Posted - 27 Aug 2008 :  16:49:08  Show Profile  Send The Sage an AOL message  Click to see The Sage's MSN Messenger address  Send The Sage a Yahoo! Message Send The Sage a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Liliella

...and so I was wondering if you could provide some information on wedding ceremonies that might be held by clerics of the following deities: Sune, Chauntea, Lliira and Lathander. What format do they take? Do the participants wear any special clothing? Are they held at particular times of day or night? How do wedding guests participate?
In addition to the lore from Ed that Kuje referenced above, I'll provide this little snippet from Ed's thinking on how weddings are performed in the Realms:-

"[I]t depends on the faith and the individual church. Formal marriages (i.e. with written contracts and witnesses, as opposed to a simple private ceremony followed by a party if the couple want it/can afford it) are rare among those who don’t have significant wealth or land to pass on. Some faiths assume a marriage is forever (most of these have been amended to “until death,” to prevent undead terrorizing the living by insisting on returning to the house and climbing into bed with them), but most ARE, as you speculate, based on “for as long as love lasts.” In some places and faiths, this leads to a swinging lifestyle, but in most places, the public disapproves of those who abandon spouses without good moral reason (the only difference I see between most of the Heartlands of the Realms and the prevalent real-world modern Western society view is that in the Realms, short-term or seldom-consummated affairs aren’t seen as sufficient “moral reason” to end a marriage). Spouse-beating, however, IS. One is expected to remain with a spouse, and tend them in illness or dying. (And yes, there are a fair number of caravan merchants who have wives in various cities, usually without one knowing about the others, though a few even write back and forth, or journey with the merchant from time to time, to visit each other.)

Formal marriages always have SIMPLE clauses outlining what happens to lands and goods when a union ends, and many weddings involving nobility insist on both parties formally and in writing (with priests using magic to make sure the participants aren’t being magically compelled to act in a certain way, blackmailed, or coerced by drugs or other means) ending the marriage, not just one—so spouses who hate each other can keep each other bound in marriage (unless one manages to have the other killed, a risky proceeding because in Cormyr, Sembia, Waterdeep, Silverymoon, and most other “civilized” places, the slayer of a spouse forfeits all property to the government).

Again, there are faiths (those closely tied to nature in particular) who conduct and recognize both “forever” and “short-term” marriages (usually “two summers,” “three summers” or “ten summers”), which may of course be renewed. The clergy of Siamorphe from time to time conduct “overnight” marriages, allowing one-night stands to be legal and divinely approved, but always publicly renounce this practise when angry kin complain to governing authorities . . . only to quietly resume it again, elsewhen."

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Marek
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Italy
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Posted - 27 Aug 2008 :  18:42:39  Show Profile  Visit Marek's Homepage Send Marek a Private Message
One more question from my community that is now madly in love with Ed

We would like to know if there are organized cults worshiping dragon deities. We know about some divine intervention of Bahamut/Xymor/Marduk in Mulhorandi but no info about any human worship of them. As far as I know the only described cult is Tiamat's.
Do you have any info concerning this subject?

p.s. a new fellow player wishes to play a cleric of a Dragon god and we're trying to figure out a way to do so. Do you have any suggestion?
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Ashe Ravenheart
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USA
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Posted - 27 Aug 2008 :  19:04:39  Show Profile Send Ashe Ravenheart a Private Message
Dragons of Faerűn has some good information on the Church of Tiamat and Chessenta's Church of Tchazzar.

I actually DO know everything. I just have a very poor index of my knowledge.

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Faraer
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Posted - 27 Aug 2008 :  20:46:02  Show Profile  Visit Faraer's Homepage Send Faraer a Private Message
Re lengths and distances: the fingerwidth/finger, handwidth/hand, handspan, and pace are well-established Realms measures. Foot, yard and mile may or may not be translations or conversions of the appropriate Faerűnian terms; I’d personally tend to do without feet, generally avoid 'yard' in favour of 'pace', but keep 'mile' as it's so common in the published lore. Of course, heights are often given comparatively rather than by units: as high as four men, more than a bowshot distant, and so on.

There's much less published on units of weight and volume. I'd like to read more . . .

Edited by - Faraer on 27 Aug 2008 20:50:47
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Faraer
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Posted - 27 Aug 2008 :  20:50:15  Show Profile  Visit Faraer's Homepage Send Faraer a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Marek
We would like to know if there are organized cults worshiping dragon deities.
In my view, the dragon deities featured in FOR1 Draconomicon are a poor fit for the Realms and are best forgotten: the balance of evidence from "Wyrms of the North" and other sources is that dragons don't particularly worship gods of any kind, and probably view Bahamut and Tiamat as exalted/mighty peers rather than a higher class of beings.
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 27 Aug 2008 :  20:57:45  Show Profile  Visit Rinonalyrna Fathomlin's Homepage Send Rinonalyrna Fathomlin a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Menelvagor

Oh! Another question I forgot. Why don't El and The Simbul marry? Why are they content to remain lovers? In fact, all the Chosen I remember (except Laeral&Khelben, and Dove) are unmarrried, even if they have (like Alustriel - 12 sons, I think, and some daughters not metioned), more than 10 children



Even Laeral and Khelben were never formally married, IIRC, even though they consider themselves to be married.

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Jamallo Kreen
Master of Realmslore

USA
1537 Posts

Posted - 27 Aug 2008 :  21:08:26  Show Profile  Visit Jamallo Kreen's Homepage Send Jamallo Kreen a Private Message
Well met, all!

Always intent on learning all there may be on the real Realms, I ask this question about the Censer of Thaumaturgy (The Magister, TSR 1988, p. 40): how many ounces of incense does it take to fill it up? Two related questions: how much incense is required for spells in which incense is used (such as divination), and what is the minimum amount of incense required to use the Censer? I have sent this interim ruling on these matters to my players as follows:
quote:
Vis-a-vis the Censer of Thaumaturgy, ... it can burn for quite a long time if "filled" with incense, AND it has a normally unavoidable lingering effect of random duration. I am going to try to find out from Ed or one of his players what exactly "filled" means. If it has never been defined, I am going to say that it is filled with twelve ounces of incense and that one spell component's worth of incense is one "stick," which equals 1 ounce, and it only keeps it lit for two and one-half to ten minutes (2 1/2 minutes times 1d4) plus 1 round of lingering effect per two ounces of incense (rounded up); I am going to use this standard until I hear otherwise from on high.


The "stick" reference comes from Aurora's Whole Realms Catalog and the "two and one-half to ten minutes" is 1/12th of the time the Censer remains lit when "filled." (Yes, I can see that a "stick" of Aurora's incense burns for about thirty minutes, but the casting time of divination has always been ten minutes, which would be a mere 1/3 of a stick of Aurora's specialty incenses if that is "one spell-component's-worth" and Aurora's type of incense is what Ed and AD&D designer David Cook both intended, which is by no means certain; if that is indeed so, then the censer may only hold about four ounces, which makes it pretty darn small and hardly the grand thing one would imagine a 12,000 gold piece item to be!)

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Seainna Mistwalker
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USA
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Posted - 27 Aug 2008 :  23:26:38  Show Profile  Visit Seainna Mistwalker's Homepage Send Seainna Mistwalker a Private Message
THO / ED

I would be interested in knowing when (post TSR contract) Ed was the happiest with outsiders "handling" (developing, progressing, ect.) the Realms? Not saying that elsewise he hasnt been happy, just asking when he was most pleased with all things being done in and with the Realms. Who would you say stands out in your mind among the many game developers you've worked with, from the TSR days to present ? Sneaking in a quick follow up, who among the other Realms writers from past to present would Ed say that he is the closest to/with ?
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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore

Canada
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Posted - 28 Aug 2008 :  05:38:13  Show Profile  Click to see Purple Dragon Knight's MSN Messenger address Send Purple Dragon Knight a Private Message
Wow Seainna!!! excellent question! and one that Ed can't hit us with the usual "NDA" excuse! LOL!
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire

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Ed is far too much the gentleman to answer that question.

And this has NOTHING to do with the 'Edition Wars', and everything to do with the fact that he is friends with and works with many of these people still.

And BTW, if you listen to Ed speak long enough (even by perusing these threads), you will see certain names keep coming up.

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Seainna Mistwalker
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Posted - 28 Aug 2008 :  08:48:13  Show Profile  Visit Seainna Mistwalker's Homepage Send Seainna Mistwalker a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Markustay

Ed is far too much the gentleman to answer that question.


I see it more as a compliment of special nature, than an insult to anyone. Which I would say most see as being very gentleman-like. Theres nothing negative about forming special connections with particular people, and vocalizing/sharing that unique degree of fondness by revealing the "who's" of the persons they are attached to.

Edited by - Seainna Mistwalker on 28 Aug 2008 08:49:55
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RodOdom
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USA
509 Posts

Posted - 28 Aug 2008 :  15:04:51  Show Profile  Visit RodOdom's Homepage Send RodOdom a Private Message
Dear Ed and Lady THO,

Prior to the Time of Troubles, were the Tablets of Fate completely unknown to the inhabitants of Faerun? Did any Chosen know about the tablets?

Thank you !
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire

USA
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Posted - 28 Aug 2008 :  16:08:01  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Seainna Mistwalker

I see it more as a compliment of special nature, than an insult to anyone. Which I would say most see as being very gentleman-like. Theres nothing negative about forming special connections with particular people, and vocalizing/sharing that unique degree of fondness by revealing the "who's" of the persons they are attached to.


Lets put it this way - this is akin to be asked "who's your best friend?", in a room full of your closest friends.

By naming anyone, he would have to automatically omit someone else, which causes hard feelings, however un-intentional.

And besides, by asking for a "when", you are cornering him into stating an edition preference, which would be rather un-politic for him to do, especially if it was anything prior to 4e.

I could tick off my favorite FR designers on one hand, and I'm sure so could ED, but I get the impression that he doesn't like to place people in categories that way.

Just my take, but we can all wait until Ed/THO officially responds.

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Edited by - Markustay on 28 Aug 2008 16:10:03
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Tormtar
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Posted - 28 Aug 2008 :  19:55:38  Show Profile  Visit Tormtar's Homepage Send Tormtar a Private Message
Dear Lady THO. I wonder if Ed could shed a little more light on the Harper and Unicorn breeder Aluena Halacanter from Boareskyr Bridge? Specifically, where does she obtain her unicorns and what would be her reactions to the founding of a town/city/small realm centred on Boareskyr Bridge as per her friends, Barim Stagwinter and Theskul Mirroreye, wishes c. 1360-1370s?

Also, are there any widely used names for common animals (i.e. coney for rabbit as used, I think, by Bob Salvatore or corbie for crow from my own northern England region)? I'm thinking of within the Heartlands.

Loved the stories of Ed's many acts of kindness over the years at various GenCon's. Really brings home just what a nice, naturally kind, creator of worlds we have the pleasure of pestering with our lore queries
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Jamallo Kreen
Master of Realmslore

USA
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Posted - 29 Aug 2008 :  08:44:25  Show Profile  Visit Jamallo Kreen's Homepage Send Jamallo Kreen a Private Message
Aluena breeds pegasi. I don't think that unicorns would consent to being "bred" by a human. Serpent Kingdoms lists her as Neutral, Wizard 9/Harper Mage 3 and associates her with Serpent's Cowl not with Boareskyr Bridge, as she had been in previous materials. I think Ed answered a question of mine about her a couple of years ago, possibly in connection with his answer about Atad "Yelloweyes." Download the Ed Answers archives and run a search on them to find anything Ed may have said in the past.



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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 29 Aug 2008 :  13:22:52  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Jamallo Kreen

Aluena breeds pegasi. I don't think that unicorns would consent to being "bred" by a human. Serpent Kingdoms lists her as Neutral, Wizard 9/Harper Mage 3 and associates her with Serpent's Cowl not with Boareskyr Bridge, as she had been in previous materials. I think Ed answered a question of mine about her a couple of years ago, possibly in connection with his answer about Atad "Yelloweyes." Download the Ed Answers archives and run a search on them to find anything Ed may have said in the past.



My files aren't as complete as Sage's, but I didn't find any queries about Aluena. She was mentioned in a question about Atad "Yelloweyes", but only in the question.

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Malcolm
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Posted - 29 Aug 2008 :  14:36:54  Show Profile  Visit Malcolm's Homepage Send Malcolm a Private Message
Dear Lady THO and Ed,
I have a relatively small, simple question this time. Long ago Ed established "everbright" and another enchantment (name escapes me at the moment; Wooly? Sage? Kuje? anyone? is it "blueshine," or am I misremembering completely) that many magical swords were treated with, to keep them not-rusty, sharp, etc.
My question is: did the collapse of the Weave have any general effects on these enchantments, or rather on existing swords bearing them? Would these spells/processes still be in use in the Realms post the Year of the Ageless One, and if so, do they now have different effects than they did before?
Thanks!
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Blueblade
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Posted - 29 Aug 2008 :  14:46:16  Show Profile  Visit Blueblade's Homepage Send Blueblade a Private Message
Ed and lovely Lady THO,
Can Ed tell us more about this Gontal place, that was outlined on the WotC website? It sounds intriguing, but not in the depth I've come to love from Ed, and I was kinda hoping . ....[hint hint]
Thanks!
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