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The Sage
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Posted - 29 Jun 2008 :  01:35:40  Show Profile  Send The Sage an AOL message  Click to see The Sage's MSN Messenger address  Send The Sage a Yahoo! Message Send The Sage a Private Message
Okay folks, we seem to be delving too much into "idle-chatter" mode. Let's try to keep this scroll just for Ed's replies and the discussion of those replies, eh?

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dfemling
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Posted - 29 Jun 2008 :  06:26:49  Show Profile  Visit dfemling's Homepage Send dfemling a Private Message
Hello THO and Ed, if time permits I would like to ask a quick question about that dark and terrible land of Menzoberranzan? I have gathered as much lore as I could about this deep realm to include The "Box set" Drizzt's guide and the TSR 9326 "Drow of the underdark". I also have refrenced the current Underdark source book.
My Question is this, in the Box set page 20 House Barrison Del'Armgo is refrenced as having "a staff of house wizards second to none" yet i can find no guide as to this powerfull houses Wizards? If you can offer any direction as to who and how these wizards dominate the Mages of Menzoberranzan i would be deeply indebted.
I would also like to take a second and say thank you, To you Ed and the Lady THO..... as well as to the rest of the community here at candlekeep. Long was I in the service and many a lonely night was i kept in comfort with my own thoughts always taking me to this Bright and rich realm! I thank you Lords and ladies of Lore for all that you have done, and will do, from the bottom of my heart. Take great comfort and have a wonderfull day.
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Jamallo Kreen
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Posted - 29 Jun 2008 :  08:23:49  Show Profile  Visit Jamallo Kreen's Homepage Send Jamallo Kreen a Private Message
I can hardly speak for Ed, but I can say that the two most powerful wizards in Menzoberranzan are not usually thought of as "house wizards:" Gromph Baenre is the Archwizard of the city and runs Sorcere, while Agrach Dyrr's most powerful wizard ... ah ... "doesn't get out much" and the Matron Mother doesn't exactly trot him out on a whim. They didn't get to be as powerful as they are by brooking juniors powerful enough to challenge them. Barrison Del'Armgo can afford to have powerful House wizards because they don't have anyone as powerful as Gromph swatting aside dangerous subordinates.




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gomez
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Posted - 29 Jun 2008 :  14:20:26  Show Profile  Visit gomez's Homepage Send gomez a Private Message
Simple enough question here:

Which dwarven clans/families live in Daggerdale, besides the Brightblade clan?
Are there other Tethyamar clans?
I need name for a dwarf, but it can't be Brightblade.

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Zanan
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Posted - 29 Jun 2008 :  15:34:01  Show Profile  Visit Zanan's Homepage Send Zanan a Private Message
Regarding the Del'Armgo house wizards ... it is about numbers, not personal power.

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dfemling
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Posted - 29 Jun 2008 :  19:00:38  Show Profile  Visit dfemling's Homepage Send dfemling a Private Message
I had thought so, yet there are many refrences that could make one reason that they use a varity of ritual magics that boost there magic power? Almost like the Red robes of Thay. Thanks for the responses though and have a good day
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Zanan
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Posted - 29 Jun 2008 :  19:08:45  Show Profile  Visit Zanan's Homepage Send Zanan a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by dfemling

I had thought so, yet there are many refrences that could make one reason that they use a varity of ritual magics that boost there magic power? Almost like the Red robes of Thay. Thanks for the responses though and have a good day



Nothing of this is known. There are only so many lore sources on Menzo and details on certain houses are relatively few and far between. You do get a few bits in the WotSQ series, especially during the "Siege", but hardly anything in terms of number and power. Most important and powerful wizards of Menzo are known though and I would assume that the 17 mentioned in the boxed set are all set inbetween levels 8 to 16. DO keep in mind that the number only refers to noble wizards of the house. There might be substantially more "non-nobles" in their ranks as well, something the remark might refer too.

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Edited by - Zanan on 29 Jun 2008 19:09:30
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dfemling
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Posted - 29 Jun 2008 :  19:24:35  Show Profile  Visit dfemling's Homepage Send dfemling a Private Message
Yeah, love the depth of Menzo lore, just enough to wet your appetite! Yet it leaves a lot of room to develope and sprinkle in your own ideas. I have devloped the city for campaigns for over 14 years. I do not like over powered events and have run some great merchant and inter city cloak & dagger style gaming. I have now settled down to work the magic side of the city and am trying to create the multi level feel of diffrent mages spending years in solitude working on inner house offensive and deffensive effects! Yet also having hidden conclaves to make diffrent alliances and settle diffrent vendettas.
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 01 Jul 2008 :  03:36:07  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hello all!
Ed has just returned home from Origins, which he loved (and can't say enough nice things about the GAMA show staff and volunteers!), and after driving for hundreds of miles, has gone straight to bed with his wife.
Ahem. I would rephrase that, but there doesn't seem to be any point. Ed did mention what fun it was to meet with AlorinDawn, talk, and hang out.
As it happens, I can answer dfemling's on-the-table request, from Ed's Menzo notes: House Barrison Del'Armgo is said to have a staff of house wizards "second to none" because they work together as friends, with close personal loyalty, sharing of spells, developing magics together, and so on, AND ARE VALUED FOR DOING SO AND ENCOURAGED TO GO ON DOING SO by the matrons and senior priestesses of the House. They are numerous but of far weaker power than many other houses, yet "punch above their weight" by working tightly and effectively together, communicating constantly by means of spells and rushing to each other's aid. The House benefits from this and so encourages it, not wanting more powerful houses to ever think taking on House Barrison Del'Armgo is remotely "worth it."
There. Potted Realmslore, from Ed.
love to all,
THO
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dfemling
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Posted - 01 Jul 2008 :  04:14:38  Show Profile  Visit dfemling's Homepage Send dfemling a Private Message
THO thank you for the fast and wonderfull reply. Will work the rules and NPC's to demestrate these characteristics. I think i will work around 14th lvl and down..... House symbol bearing a constant telepathy and possibly looking into the way the Many-Starred Cloak of Neverwinter weave spells to effect the power effect it takes to reduce A house to molten rock. Anyone have any suggestions and I hope that this is a place to ponder this enhancement of realms lore? Thanks for your time either way and have a good day!
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Zanan
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Posted - 01 Jul 2008 :  11:30:55  Show Profile  Visit Zanan's Homepage Send Zanan a Private Message
That lore on House Del'Armgo will be instantly transferred to my Menzoberranzan files! Thank you for the quick reply, Malla Hooded One!

Cave quid dicis, quando et cui!

G a wyrd swa hio scel!

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createvmind
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Posted - 01 Jul 2008 :  14:29:20  Show Profile  Visit createvmind's Homepage Send createvmind a Private Message
Hello All,

Glad Ed enjoyed the Con.

My question this time, With devils being very smart and adept with magic what prevents them from learning summoning magic and true name magic to help them combat demons? For that matter what prevents celestials from doing the same?
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Quale
Master of Realmslore

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Posted - 01 Jul 2008 :  15:09:59  Show Profile Send Quale a Private Message
what are dwarven, halfling and gnome names for Dwarfhome, Green Fields and Golden Hills?
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Ergdusch
Master of Realmslore

Germany
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Posted - 01 Jul 2008 :  20:14:19  Show Profile Send Ergdusch a Private Message
Hello dear Ed and THO!
Inspired by another scribe's querry here at the Keep I did researched on the Crystal Grot and was able to find a few answers by Ed of the Greenwoods in his replies. Now, these answers raised new questions (as is often the case for the unlearned scribe, I guess). So now I turn to the great teacher of Realmslore in hopes of having my newly arisen questions answered.

quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One on 12 Jul 2006 concerning taxes in Suzail:

There are few surprises for an adventurer in Suzail, because the Crown of Cormyr doesn't have to be greedy for funds; it has the Crystal Grot and many sources of fee-based income.

Question 1: what other fee-based sources we you refering to? And, you mentioned some dragon articles you wrote on cromyrean taxes in this answer as well that were not published back than. Any chance that those have been published by now?

And also a minor side note in one of his other replies:
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One on 15 Sep 2007:

Thanks to the Crystal Grot and Vangeys canny buying of much foreign gold coinage, Cormyr has built up treasury enough over the years.

Question 2: Does this hold try for the time after the Dragon War? Or have the state funds been run low after this crisis.

Question 3: Also, is the Crystal Grot ever going to be played out/exploited?

Thanks in advance, Ergdusch

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createvmind
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Posted - 02 Jul 2008 :  15:35:38  Show Profile  Visit createvmind's Homepage Send createvmind a Private Message
Hello All,


Ok Ed, 41 people sacrificed summons an Avatar of Bane or it actually summoned Bane himself which either way seems a paltry price to force a deity to appear before you. I'm referring to novel 'Undead' in which Szass Tam summons Bane. I assume deities have provided these "backdoor" ways for them to be reached purposely but are not actually bound even though it seems Bane was indeed prevented from leaving, I'm not sure if this is creative liberties taken by Byers or lore you provided?

I also assume if by some miracle all the followers of a deity on Faerun prayed collectively and for same purpose for their god to appear he/she would have no choice but to manifest. I then recalled the Lady saying the Times of Trouble never happened in your home game so my assumption may be wrong if you don't have the gods needing their followers for survival as Ao decreed. Do you think at some point you could tell us a ritual to call forth a deity, say a Azuth, Gwaeron Windstorm, Eldath, Valkur, Uthgar or Mielikki or any deity that you may have notes on, I just threw some names out there hoping I would be in the ballpark?
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Zanan
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Posted - 02 Jul 2008 :  16:12:30  Show Profile  Visit Zanan's Homepage Send Zanan a Private Message
createvemind ... that was one of the things which irked my about that novel ... and I actually wonder whether it was implemented to show the changes in deific powers post Spellplague, i.e. some kind of reduction in status or importance to the (4E) players (even though it is Szass Tam doing the calling). IMHO, no mortal (or immortal in that case) should be able to "summon" a deity at all. In the novel, it does not "sound" as if it was simply an avatar.

Uh ... sorry for my interruption, malla Hooded One!

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TormakSaber
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Posted - 02 Jul 2008 :  18:37:48  Show Profile  Visit TormakSaber's Homepage Send TormakSaber a Private Message
A player in my campaign has recently started a debate that's started to fan out over the entire group, and we'd like an answer to it, because it's rather bringing the campaign to a standstill.

Druids, in the player's handbook, are stated as being able to "only wear cloth, leather, padded, and hide armors", and states that they are not allowed to wear metal armors because it violates their Druidic oaths regarding metal. The other statement in the player's handbook says they can wear light and medium armor, and "can learn to wear full plate, but putting it on would violate her oath and suppress her Druidic powers."

I take this to mean that a Druid can learn to wear Heavy Armor, that is, they can take Heavy Armor Proficiency on a feat level. As well, this also seems to say that they could take Tower Shield proficiency as well. There doesn't seem to be anything stating that a druid would be laid out as a heretic for doing this, unless they wore metal armor or shields.

Arms and Equipment Guide introduces organic materials for use in Heavy Armor, and other armors as well, such as Chitin, Bronzewood, Coral or even the PHB spell Ironwood.

I would like to know if the restrictions are based on the fact that it is heavy armor, or if it is metal armor. In my logic, a Druid could take the Heavy Armor Proficiency feat, and wear Bronzewood Full Plate, or what have you, and not violate their oaths because the armor is organic, not metal. Just as a Druid could use a wooden Tower Shield if they took the feat, and not lose their powers.

My player believes that the PHB supercedes everything, and a druid cannot wear Heavy Armor or use Tower Shields, because the book states "cloth, leather, Hide and Padded" armors only. But PHB couldn't possibly have been able to reference Arms and Equipment Guide, one because the PHB is Core and not allowed to reference supplements, and also because Arms and Equipment Guide was released later. Because the only non metal armors in the PHB are cloth, leather, padded, and hide, those are the restrictions given to the class in the PHB for Core rules.

So can a Druid wear Heavy Armor and use Tower Shields and not violate their Druidic Vows, as long as the Armor and Shields are not metal, in the Forgotten Realms?
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Penknight
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quote:
Originally posted by TormakSaber

A player in my campaign has recently started a debate that's started to fan out over the entire group, and we'd like an answer to it, because it's rather bringing the campaign to a standstill.

Druids, in the player's handbook, are stated as being able to "only wear cloth, leather, padded, and hide armors", and states that they are not allowed to wear metal armors because it violates their Druidic oaths regarding metal. The other statement in the player's handbook says they can wear light and medium armor, and "can learn to wear full plate, but putting it on would violate her oath and suppress her Druidic powers."

I take this to mean that a Druid can learn to wear Heavy Armor, that is, they can take Heavy Armor Proficiency on a feat level. As well, this also seems to say that they could take Tower Shield proficiency as well. There doesn't seem to be anything stating that a druid would be laid out as a heretic for doing this, unless they wore metal armor or shields.

Arms and Equipment Guide introduces organic materials for use in Heavy Armor, and other armors as well, such as Chitin, Bronzewood, Coral or even the PHB spell Ironwood.

I would like to know if the restrictions are based on the fact that it is heavy armor, or if it is metal armor. In my logic, a Druid could take the Heavy Armor Proficiency feat, and wear Bronzewood Full Plate, or what have you, and not violate their oaths because the armor is organic, not metal. Just as a Druid could use a wooden Tower Shield if they took the feat, and not lose their powers.

My player believes that the PHB supercedes everything, and a druid cannot wear Heavy Armor or use Tower Shields, because the book states "cloth, leather, Hide and Padded" armors only. But PHB couldn't possibly have been able to reference Arms and Equipment Guide, one because the PHB is Core and not allowed to reference supplements, and also because Arms and Equipment Guide was released later. Because the only non metal armors in the PHB are cloth, leather, padded, and hide, those are the restrictions given to the class in the PHB for Core rules.

So can a Druid wear Heavy Armor and use Tower Shields and not violate their Druidic Vows, as long as the Armor and Shields are not metal, in the Forgotten Realms?

I remember from somewhere that druids are able to wear ankheg plate and dragonhide as well because it isn't formed of metal. That in itself is pretty simple to understand, so I don't really see a problem with them wearing medium or heavy armor made of a natural substance or hide.

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althen artren
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So Sage, where do the idle chatter go

Hello Hoody, for the
I been looking over the info in Volvo Magic,
and I would like to know what gemstones (or other materials) are
useful for summoning, conjurations, abjurations, alterations?

Can we have some the dragons known to live in Myth Drannor
around 1356 DR? (I have a red dragon who slow cooks his supper
in barbeque sauce, but I would like to know of other dragons in the
haunted ruins.)


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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 03 Jul 2008 :  15:16:10  Show Profile  Visit Rinonalyrna Fathomlin's Homepage Send Rinonalyrna Fathomlin a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Penknight
I remember from somewhere that druids are able to wear ankheg plate and dragonhide as well because it isn't formed of metal. That in itself is pretty simple to understand, so I don't really see a problem with them wearing medium or heavy armor made of a natural substance or hide.



Metal is natural.

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Caedwyr
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Most metals are not found in a pure elemental form on the surface of the planet and require smelting/extraction to be converted into a usable form. One could argue, that since they are not used in a natural state and require chemical reactions to convert to a usable form they aren't "natural" enough.
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The Sage
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We're drifting again folks. Please, I don't want to have to start removing posts from this scroll. Keep it on topic.

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The Red Walker
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This question is inspired by my recent query to Steven.

What currently is Ed's favorite adult beverage?

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Jamallo Kreen
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quote:
Originally posted by createvmind

Hello All,


Ok Ed, 41 people sacrificed summons an Avatar of Bane or it actually summoned Bane himself which either way seems a paltry price to force a deity to appear before you. I'm referring to novel 'Undead' in which Szass Tam summons Bane. I assume deities have provided these "backdoor" ways for them to be reached purposely but are not actually bound even though it seems Bane was indeed prevented from leaving, I'm not sure if this is creative liberties taken by Byers or lore you provided?

I also assume if by some miracle all the followers of a deity on Faerun prayed collectively and for same purpose for their god to appear he/she would have no choice but to manifest. I then recalled the Lady saying the Times of Trouble never happened in your home game so my assumption may be wrong if you don't have the gods needing their followers for survival as Ao decreed. Do you think at some point you could tell us a ritual to call forth a deity, say a Azuth, Gwaeron Windstorm, Eldath, Valkur, Uthgar or Mielikki or any deity that you may have notes on, I just threw some names out there hoping I would be in the ballpark?



Eric L. Boyd answered a question of mine with a reminder of some of the benefits of godhood (it's in their job description) which would prevent them from being constrained by a spell in a role-playing environment, the most important of which is that gods always make their saving throws (except against a more powerful deity). Bane would thus always make his save to avoid being constrained involuntarily.

Since the only spell which has ever been known to constrain a deity was Karsus's avatar, which was 12th level and is now banned, I would opine that it would be impossible for a mortal to constrain a deity within the game mechanics. The author of a novel has fewer restraints. See the scroll "Novels and Game Mechanics" for Erik Scott de Bie's insights into an author's obligations to "follow the rules" versus artistic license.





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The Hooded One
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Hello again, all. I'm currently awaiting Ed's latest lore reply, but can make a start at answering The Red Walker:
PROBABLY Amaretto liqueur, specifically Disaronno Originale.
However, Ed loves a nice semi-dry Riesling (such as some years of Ancient Coast or several of the more "haughty" labels), and the seasonal Cranberry Maple Wheat beer made by Church Key Brewing microbrewery in Petherick's Corners, Ontario (I believe he got Steven Schend to sample it recently, which involves a trip to the brewery [crammed into a tiny old church near Campbellford, Ontario]).
I'll pass this on to Ed for a definitive answer; he may, of course, not have just one "favourite tipple." As for mixed drinks, I have seen him consume Pina Coladas, Tequila Sunrises, and a few more exotic things on a regular basis.
Hmmm; perhaps I'll drop in on him and ask personally.
Yes, he does drink out of feminine navels.
love,
THO
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