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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 15 Apr 2008 :  15:57:45  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hello again, all!
I have an urgent update message for Seahen! I hope every scribe can help get this to him!

The library has rescheduled its hours, so I'm afraid Ed won't be at the Port Hope Public Library at all on either Thursday or Friday!
I want to save you the disappointment of a wasted trip or side-trip, and I hope you can somehow link up with Ed at some other time. Ed tells me a very nice lady who is definitely not him will be standing behind the desk instead on the Friday morning, whilst he is doggedly motoring around most of southern Ontario. Sorry!

love,
THO

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Malcolm
Learned Scribe

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Posted - 15 Apr 2008 :  16:02:08  Show Profile  Visit Malcolm's Homepage Send Malcolm a Private Message
AlorinDawn, where is this lore (the ranger who lost his powers, the Night Hunt Inn, etc.) from? I'm away from my gaming stuff right now, this sounds fascinating, and I can't remember ever reading or hearing about it before.
?
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AlorinDawn
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USA
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Posted - 15 Apr 2008 :  16:32:53  Show Profile  Visit AlorinDawn's Homepage  Click to see AlorinDawn's MSN Messenger address Send AlorinDawn a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Malcolm

AlorinDawn, where is this lore (the ranger who lost his powers, the Night Hunt Inn, etc.) from? I'm away from my gaming stuff right now, this sounds fascinating, and I can't remember ever reading or hearing about it before.
?



Either Volo's Guide to the North or The North Boxed Set. The skinny is he is a 16th or so level fighter that used to be a ranger who had lost his powers and won't talk about why. He, his family, and his old adventuring compainions all live in the Night Hunt Inn about a day and half from Loudwater. This is all from memory, so don't flay me if I've made an error =)

Currently reading: Eyes of The Dragon by Stephen King

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BlackMoria
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Canada
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Posted - 15 Apr 2008 :  17:16:32  Show Profile  Visit BlackMoria's Homepage Send BlackMoria a Private Message
Some questions for the esteemed Ed.

Lately, I have been planning a campaign in the Narfell region and look for inspiration in the region's past.

Narfell and Raumathar were mighty empires which destroyed each other. Given the fact that Narfell is peopled by barbarian tribes and not numerous (about 30,000 for the entire region) at the present, some 1300+ years after the war, what was the general nature of the war between the two nations? What forces (political, religious, philosphical)prompted both sides to go at each other with a fury that both nations destroyed each other?

Was it a genocidal conflict (in that both sides literally tried to destroy each others populations rather than both sides attempting to destroy the other side's armies and subjugate the population and annex the land)?

It seems genicidal given some 1300+ years after the event, Narfell and the remnants of Raumathar have low population figures and have never again come close to their former glory of empire but if that was wrong, why did neither nation recover to any state of recognized nationhood after the war was over?

Assuming empires having large enough population centres to sustain a protracted conflict, there appears to be too few noteworthy ruins with the regions. I would have expected hundreds of destroyed towns and cities. Do such ruins exist or has 1300+ years erased all evidence of empires.

What sort of battle magics did both sides use in the typical battle? Given that empires destroyed themselves, I imagine some very potent and powerful battle magics were employed.

We know the Nars favored fielding demonic forces and Raumathar had their own magic discipline of the battlemages but outside of that, little is know of tactics, favored battle spells, and how each side fought against each other in small skirmishes to large set piece battles. If Ed can give some insight into this, this would be fantastic.






Edited by - BlackMoria on 15 Apr 2008 17:21:51
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Jorkens
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Posted - 15 Apr 2008 :  18:32:57  Show Profile Send Jorkens a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Hello again, all. THANK you, GoCeraf (dimples). Your sweet fondness is appreciated and returned.
Jorkens, your request goes off to Ed, but from play in the 'home' Realms campaign, I can say that the beast cults are just that: cults. Worshipped in secret, in modest cellar shrines or back room impromptu ceremonies, often centered around a 'totem' piece or relic of the animal in question (a horn, a claw, a fang, a tentacle preserved in a sealed glass jar full of oil). Members work together like a trade cabal or secret society, helping each other in daily business troubles (discounts to fellow members, rushing to be bodyguard aid if a fellow cultist is attacked by rivals, etc.), and usually carry a tiny recognition token (carved bat wing or horse hoof or whatever) to show to fellow cultists they don't know personally.
What we Knights discovered was that some of the larger, more powerful, and wealthy cults (in larger cities) had been covertly taken over by beholders (working through the minds of cult leaders), either for their own benefit or to extend the reach of the Zhentarim.
So cults, and clashing rival cults with PCs caught in the middle, are great foes and "background action movers" for low-level PCs. In short, so far as I know, the beast cults are still flourishing (albeit with very low profiles, so some non-members might think otherwise).
love,
THO




Thanks for the quick answer My Lady.

You brought up one of the themes that interests me and I must therefore ask a follow-up question.

In all later lore the cults are led by beholders, Zenths or others using the groups for their own purposes, but in the original article the cults worship creatures that do exist. Mostly demi-powers. What interest do these take in the cults and what relationship do they have with the other (mostly nature) deities? And the beholders who are using them?
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Hoondatha
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Posted - 15 Apr 2008 :  18:51:45  Show Profile  Visit Hoondatha's Homepage Send Hoondatha a Private Message
AlorinDawn: Wasn't he the one who used to be a wilderness guide for essentially Faerun's equivalent to big game hunters? The one who took a rather evil client and rather unwittingly (because he didn't want to think too hard about it) helped him kill a creature sacred to Mielikki (something like a mielikkar) and lost his powers because of it?

Or am I thinking of another fallen ranger in the High Forest area? I'm afb right now, so I can't check.

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Sigh... And now 4e as well.
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AlorinDawn
Learned Scribe

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Posted - 15 Apr 2008 :  19:55:00  Show Profile  Visit AlorinDawn's Homepage  Click to see AlorinDawn's MSN Messenger address Send AlorinDawn a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Hoondatha

AlorinDawn: Wasn't he the one who used to be a wilderness guide for essentially Faerun's equivalent to big game hunters? The one who took a rather evil client and rather unwittingly (because he didn't want to think too hard about it) helped him kill a creature sacred to Mielikki (something like a mielikkar) and lost his powers because of it?

Or am I thinking of another fallen ranger in the High Forest area? I'm afb right now, so I can't check.



If so, I have never read anything about it.

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Hoondatha
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Posted - 15 Apr 2008 :  19:59:07  Show Profile  Visit Hoondatha's Homepage Send Hoondatha a Private Message
I'll see if I can't track it down when I get home from work.

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capnvan
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Posted - 15 Apr 2008 :  20:25:55  Show Profile  Visit capnvan's Homepage Send capnvan a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by BlackMoria

Some questions for the esteemed Ed.

Lately, I have been planning a campaign in the Narfell region and look for inspiration in the region's past.

*snip*



I'm not particularly sagacious on the subject, but have you checked out Lost Empires of Faerun for some inspiration? There's a bit of history as well as some brief site discussions as well.

"Saving a life, though regrettable, is a small price to pay for a whole lifetime of unfettered killing."
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Zandilar
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Australia
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Posted - 15 Apr 2008 :  23:50:57  Show Profile  Visit Zandilar's Homepage Send Zandilar a Private Message
Heya,

quote:
Originally posted by Jorkens
You brought up one of the themes that interests me and I must therefore ask a follow-up question.

In all later lore the cults are led by beholders, Zenths or others using the groups for their own purposes, but in the original article the cults worship creatures that do exist. Mostly demi-powers. What interest do these take in the cults and what relationship do they have with the other (mostly nature) deities? And the beholders who are using them?



Adding on to that is a question of my particular interest... What relationship to Sharess does Meerclar have, if any? If they're unrelated entities, I would assume there's a bit of friction between Meerclar's cult and Sharess's faith? Or do they not have much to do with each other?

My guess would be that as Sharess has Cats in her portfolio - logically, and given the rule that no two deities of the same power level (they both seem to be demipowers given what THO has said about the beast cults origins) can share portfolio elements, Meerclar is another alias of Sharess, and cultists merely follow a more cat centric dogma. Am I right? Or am I way off the beam here?

Zandilar
~amor vincit omnia~
~audaces fortuna iuvat~

As the spell ends, you look up into the sky to see the sun blazing overhead like noon in a desert. Then something else in the sky catches your attention. Turning your gaze, you see a tawny furred kitten bounding across the sky towards the new sun. Her eyes glint a mischevious green as she pounces on it as if it were nothing but a colossal ball of golden yarn. With quick strokes of her paws, it is batted across the sky, back and forth. Then with a wink the kitten and the sun disappear, leaving the citizens of Elversult gazing up with amazed expressions that quickly turn into chortles and mirth.

The Sunlord left Elversult the same day in humilitation, and was never heard from again.
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Hoondatha
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Posted - 16 Apr 2008 :  01:42:49  Show Profile  Visit Hoondatha's Homepage Send Hoondatha a Private Message
Nope, turns out I was thinking of Treahugh Greiko (CN hm F6) [The North, p. 73], a different fallen ranger.

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Jamallo Kreen
Master of Realmslore

USA
1537 Posts

Posted - 16 Apr 2008 :  23:29:54  Show Profile  Visit Jamallo Kreen's Homepage Send Jamallo Kreen a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Longtime Lurker

Another question for Ed:
I know that many cities in the Realms have gate guards who control access to the city, collect tolls, etc.
Two questions: how rare or common is it for them to watch for, and try to control, people and goods LEAVING the city (if no alarm has been raised)?
Also, how many places have the habit of, and resources to, set some undercover agents to "tailing" someone who got past the guards but were deemed borderline suspicious, or who were turned away from entering but that the guards think might immediately get "up to something"?
Thanks!



That was precisely the problem facing "the heroes" at the start of ^The Avatar Trilogy: how to get out of town?



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Jamallo Kreen
Master of Realmslore

USA
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Posted - 17 Apr 2008 :  00:29:37  Show Profile  Visit Jamallo Kreen's Homepage Send Jamallo Kreen a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by AlorinDawn

I'm on a roll....

Ed,

What does Loxo music sound like?



I suppose there's a lot of trumpeting....



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Jamallo Kreen
Master of Realmslore

USA
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Posted - 17 Apr 2008 :  04:06:43  Show Profile  Visit Jamallo Kreen's Homepage Send Jamallo Kreen a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by BlackMoria

Some questions for the esteemed Ed.

Lately, I have been planning a campaign in the Narfell region and look for inspiration in the region's past.

Narfell and Raumathar were mighty empires which destroyed each other. Given the fact that Narfell is peopled by barbarian tribes and not numerous (about 30,000 for the entire region) at the present, some 1300+ years after the war, what was the general nature of the war between the two nations?

(snip)




Given how busy Ed is at the moment, your best bets would be the Unapproachable East sourcebook, and Bruce R. Cordell's novels written under his own name, Lady of Poison and its sequel, especially the former, because much of the action takes place in Nar ruins. You won't find all of your answers there. Much of that history has been deliberately left vague so that DMs may exercise some creativity and shape the regions and their pasts to suit their campaigns. There are vague hints and occasional inexplicable wonders throughout the whole of northeast Faerun and the western Hordelands.

Unapproachable East contains the two surviving Nar and Raumathri prestige classes, so there are surviving magical and military traditions from the two empires, but what tends to happen when magically-powerful empires go to war against each other is near-total annihilation of both parties ("Mutually Assured Destruction" in our lingo). The Evermoors and Plains of Purple Dust, and much of the wasteland around Calimshan, Amn and Tethyr was created by magical battles, and there are few surviving fragments of any of the combatant civilizations. (On Oerth, think of the Invoked Devastation and the Rain of Colorless Fire -- result? -- both the Suloise and their enemies were reduced to nomadism in a blasted wasteland which is still a ruin thousands of years later.)



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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 17 Apr 2008 :  16:14:16  Show Profile  Visit Rinonalyrna Fathomlin's Homepage Send Rinonalyrna Fathomlin a Private Message
I'd like to mention that the antagonist of the novel Bloodwalker (the bloodwalker, herself) was a daughter of the Nar tribes, and there's a little bit of information about the Nar tribes in said novel.

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Vangelor
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USA
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Posted - 17 Apr 2008 :  19:40:00  Show Profile  Visit Vangelor's Homepage Send Vangelor a Private Message
Another question for Ed:

I am launching a plotline in my campaign in which fireflies will be featuring prominently, appearing with unusual concentrations around Cormanthor and the Dales. This is a hint toward Oacenth's legacy. But what might Dalesfolk or others make of this as a portent? Is there any other firefly lore current in the Dalelands?
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 17 Apr 2008 :  22:53:33  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Ho ho!
Ed is racing around the Ontario countryside at the moment, but this question from Vangelor is one I can handle (from experience playing in the Realms with Ed as DM)! Fireflies in the Dales (Deepingdale, Shadowdale, and Mistledale in particular) mean Lurue is active and manifesting and aware of what's unfolding ....
love to all,
THO

Edited by - The Hooded One on 17 Apr 2008 23:04:35
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Gelcur
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Posted - 18 Apr 2008 :  02:55:06  Show Profile  Visit Gelcur's Homepage Send Gelcur a Private Message
Greetings Fabulous Flirtatious One and Lord Ed of the Greenwood.

I was wondering if either of you could shed some light on the community of Askavar. All I've managed to dig up is that it was an elven one that perished about 800 years back and that it was located in the Wood of Sharp Teeth. Its people left heading for Evereska or Evermeet.

My players are in the area and I'd like them to find some ruins but I would like to have some more information. Potentially useful information might be along the lines of, did they have allies/enemies, did they do magical research, did they deal in a trade good, or anything else unique about them.

Thank you for your time.

The party come to a town befallen by hysteria

Rogue: So what's in the general store?
DM: What are you looking for?
Rogue: Whatevers in the store.
DM: Like what?
Rogue: Everything.
DM: There is a lot of stuff.
Rogue: Is there a cart outside?
DM: (rolls) Yes.
Rogue: We'll take it all, we may need it for the greater good.

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Jamallo Kreen
Master of Realmslore

USA
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Posted - 18 Apr 2008 :  07:29:42  Show Profile  Visit Jamallo Kreen's Homepage Send Jamallo Kreen a Private Message
A quickie (STEADY!): Ed, Jorkens mentioned that in Dragon Magazine # 54 you wrote up the objects of beastcult worship. Would you please tell us more (preferably lots more!) about "PYARAY -- Whisperer of Lord of the Ocean Abysses, Impossible Secrets, Creatures of the Deep," including its apparent source in n Moorcock's Elric cycle? Gran merçi!



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Edited by - Jamallo Kreen on 18 Apr 2008 07:31:30
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 18 Apr 2008 :  15:26:55  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hello, all. Ed is still rushing about, etc., but I can make a tiny start on answering Jamallo Kreen: yes, Pyaray is drawn from Moorcock. Specifically, from the D&D writeup of Pyaray in the first edition of DEITIES & DEMIGODS, which included mythoi from Lankhmar (with Leiber's permission, a la Vance), Lovecraft's Cthulhu, and Moorcock's Melnibone (sorry, can't do the proper accent marks in this primitive e-mail program). The latter two were included without legal permission - - hence the book's hasty second edition without them. It's important to remember that in this pre-Internet age, a lot of just plain DMs (including Ed, who has always been an isolated-up-in-Canada freelancer, NOT a company staffer) were unaware of this illicit situation, and therefore assumed these official TSR writeups were now part of the game, and fully usable. (In those days, staying true to canon was what most gamers automatically tried to do, because there WAS only one official source that greatly dominated roleplaying games.)
A close reading of Ed's DRAGON #54 article will turn up the fact that Ed states he's using a lot of deities as "placeholders" until further "official" (i.e. Gygaxian, TSR-published) deities appear and are detailed; the entire thrust of the article was not to present the gods of the Realms, but to show how one DM strolled through the published lore, "official" TSR and otherwise, to pick and choose this and that and structure a pantheon of deities for a long-running campaign. Specifically, in Ed's case, how deity portfolios (not a new concept, but one Ed "pushed" into the D&D game) 'work,' and how a pantheon is shaped (in Ed's case, in a rough balance of deities of various power levels, along alignment lines).
It's important to always bear one thing in mind: what of necessity is discussed fairly clearly in articles intended for DMs has always been far more mysterious/shifting/a matter of disagreements between competing churches in the Realms when one is experiencing Realmsplay.
Ed saw the Beast Cults as a way of including interesting "little secretive local worship" in such play (often as the stereotypical "evil guys about to do unspeakable things to unclad female chained to altar, as heroic PCs burst in") without putting certain deities into positions of frontline dominance in Faerunian lives.
Of course, I'll hand your post on to Ed for his own, proper reply, in the fullness of time. I can say that he's always regretted the focus on godly powers, avatars, et al at the expense of detailing what the churches do (daily prayers, do's and don'ts, festivals and other 'big' rituals, creeds, secret priesthood aims, etc.).
love to all,
THO
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 18 Apr 2008 :  15:58:43  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hello again, all. For the record (and to save time and upset for the fairly steady flood of scribes asking me anxiously), barring some terrible future problem at WotC, the third Knights of Myth Drannor novel, THE SWORD NEVER SLEEPS, will indeed be published (though I understand it's now set for a November 2008 release rather than August).
It has been finished, submitted to Wizards, edited, and the editor and Ed have then gone over the MS to polish here, embellish there, and pat the new baby on its behind and pronounce it ready to toddle out into the world.
I asked Ed to comment on its contents, and he said:

Readers seeking RSEs will probably be disappointed.
Readers who want to see glimpses of Khelben, Torm, and Rathan, and a lot more of the Knights and the Obarskyrs and Dauntless interacting (often rather testily) should be pleased.
Readers seeking one way to whisk PCs and NPCs from the 3e Realms times up into the 4e dating should discover one handy new element . . . and at least one NPC becomes fascinating and steps forward to take far more of a hand in the proceedings than we saw of the character in SWORDS OF DRAGONFIRE.


So saith Ed.
Getting hungry to read this? I am!!
love to all,
THO
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 18 Apr 2008 :  16:36:37  Show Profile  Visit Rinonalyrna Fathomlin's Homepage Send Rinonalyrna Fathomlin a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One


Readers seeking RSEs will probably be disappointed.


Good thing that's not me.

quote:
Getting hungry to read this? I am!!




Me too.

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Vangelor
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USA
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Posted - 18 Apr 2008 :  19:41:45  Show Profile  Visit Vangelor's Homepage Send Vangelor a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Ho ho!
Ed is racing around the Ontario countryside at the moment, but this question from Vangelor is one I can handle (from experience playing in the Realms with Ed as DM)! Fireflies in the Dales (Deepingdale, Shadowdale, and Mistledale in particular) mean Lurue is active and manifesting and aware of what's unfolding ....
love to all,
THO

That certainly gives me the handle I needed, as Uvaeren Misteldale is where things are apt to be happening. ;) I think I can arrange to keep everyone guessing until Midsummer, too. Thanks for the quick reply, THO.
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Jamallo Kreen
Master of Realmslore

USA
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Posted - 18 Apr 2008 :  23:45:22  Show Profile  Visit Jamallo Kreen's Homepage Send Jamallo Kreen a Private Message
Thank you, gracious Lady. I shall now have to hunt down the illicit edition. (I *used* to own one, but after all these years....)



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Jamallo Kreen
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Posted - 20 Apr 2008 :  06:40:28  Show Profile  Visit Jamallo Kreen's Homepage Send Jamallo Kreen a Private Message
Well met, all!

I was doing some historical research as RW back ground for Afetbinttuzani's scroll of inquiry, "how much does a Cormyrian gold piece weigh?" and came across the interesting factoid that the symbol for the florin is the "long 'F'" so hated by students trying to read old documents. The question then came to me: what symbols are used by merchants and accountants in the Realms to designate the various coins from here, there, and that other place?


May I also add that I would LOVE IT if Ed would write a monograph on Realms numismatics (and get Wizards to publish it)? Even in 1475 the old coinage is still old coinage, and possibly even more collectible, so it might help to ease the transition for some of us to ... that other version.




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