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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 25 Feb 2008 :  22:23:28  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hello again, all. Ed has temporarily fallen silent (he'll be at the D&D Experience in Arlington, VA during the latter half of this week, I believe), but I have been pondering this Charles Phipps query:
"Okay, odd question, Ed. Who's the most depraved and villainous noble family in Cormyr and/or Waterdeep?
Who and how?"
. . . and I'm thinking that there's some stiff competition for "most" in both places. So, first off, I'd like to narrow the question a little. Charles, do we exclude exiled or extinct or stripped-of-all-status noble families?
love,
THO
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Charles Phipps
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Posted - 26 Feb 2008 :  08:05:33  Show Profile  Visit Charles Phipps's Homepage Send Charles Phipps a Private Message
. . . and I'm thinking that there's some stiff competition for "most" in both places. So, first off, I'd like to narrow the question a little. Charles, do we exclude exiled or extinct or stripped-of-all-status noble families?

To narrow the group a bit; let's keep it to currently in existence, entitled, and still maintaining power families. Though I welcome any particular infamous or exiled extras that Ed wants to point in. If you can describe the nature of the crimes for the living empowered ones, it'd be a treat too.

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althen artren
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Posted - 28 Feb 2008 :  19:13:26  Show Profile Send althen artren a Private Message
Hello everyone,

I would like to submit for speculation some theories about some of our favorite characters, and hoping that Ed will add or subtract to the discussion with some observations I might have missed.

I have read "Tears so White" and Ed said in a previous post to read that story and come back with ideas and questions about Larloch. So here we go:

1) Larloch has fallen in love with Mystra and wants to be one of her chosen. He shows this devotion through the constant study and manipulation of magics, the trying to surpass all spellcasters that has come before him, and manipulating
events around Faerun, just like most of the other chosen do. Tears so White seems to back this with the scene with the silver fire tear and his leaning in to get as close to it as his lich enchantments allow. Ed wrote in the past: "... trying to get freedom of the machinations of the gods." This seems a paradox to the statement " a being so powerful as to "come to a agreement" with at least Azuth and Mystra. Problem with this theory, evil chosen don't do well.

2) He wishes to supplant Mystra as the God of Magic. I see this as likely but, have not read anything other than this story and the Larloch discussion that appear in the Ask Ed forums. Are there any other stories out there besides "Tears so White" that feature Larloch as a character? Problem with theory, currently if Mystra is destroyed "should" be destroyed. (I wonder if he has already thought of this and what kind of contingencies he has thought of?
*cough**cough*spellplag*cough**cough*

#3) He wish to supplant Velashroon as the God of lichnee. I thought that this was a sound theory as he was trying to take over baelnorn in their mythrals but it doesn't quite fit with all the discussions through the threads and published materials as he seems not to care about those lichnee already in his service, and with the "possible" destruction of the lichnee in the story.

#4)Can anybody think of any consequence of destroying Larloch, does anybody have a suggestion as to what he would working against besides the obvious Red Wizards and Shar?

#5)Ed, have you ever wrote out in paragraph form or in spell formula the way Larloch has taken control of all of his minions. I know you can't share it with us if you did, but I would like to know at least if you have given it any in-depth thought. My guess is that it has to due with major unpublished necromantic rituals conducted over a lich's soul object.

Edited by - althen artren on 29 Feb 2008 16:45:09
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Asgetrion
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Posted - 01 Mar 2008 :  00:55:26  Show Profile  Visit Asgetrion's Homepage Send Asgetrion a Private Message
Hello again, Ed and THO!

I was wondering if urban temples (i.e. located within towns and cities) of more "martial" deities (e.g. Tempus, Torm, Helm, Tyr etc.) typically have "training" courtyards and stables within the temple grounds? Or does the clergy train in "battle/training halls" within the temple and use other stables in the city/town? How about smithies -- i.e. do they craft their weapons and armor themselves? And do these temples usually have curtain walls and gatehouses, even if they're not shown on the city maps?

I hope Ed really enjoyed himself at D&D Experience.

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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 01 Mar 2008 :  04:06:58  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by althen artren


#4)Can anybody think of any consequence of destroying Larloch, does anybody have a suggestion as to what he would working against besides the obvious Red Wizards and Shar?




60+ liches suddenly being able to do what they want, when they want, is a pretty big consequence.

Larloch also does a buttload of spell research, too, cranking out new magics all the time.

And though I can't think of any evidence to support it, it's not impossible that part of what Larloch is doing is containing something...

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The Sage
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Ed's answers imply that Larloch MAY have some plots, but if he does, they're so wide-reaching, complicated, and clandestine that virtually no one in the Realms [including the Chosen] knows what they are.

One of his current 'plots' revolves around controlling portals and portal networks throughout Faerűn. He's looking at controlling the gates indirectly. In the sense that he'll be doing a couple of things:-

1. Monitoring people movement; who goes where and more importantly, why;

2. Putting in place magics to control creatures or people using 'his' portals, or at the very least access their knowledge/memories;

3. Using his knowledge of portals and portal networks to bring groups or individuals into conflict and thereby benefiting from the fallout.

All of this is intended to be done without the hand of Larloch being apparent.

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Kes_Alanadel
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Posted - 01 Mar 2008 :  18:28:51  Show Profile  Visit Kes_Alanadel's Homepage  Send Kes_Alanadel a Yahoo! Message Send Kes_Alanadel a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Sage

Ed's answers imply that Larloch MAY have some plots, but if he does, they're so wide-reaching, complicated, and clandestine that virtually no one in the Realms [including the Chosen] knows what they are.

One of his current 'plots' revolves around controlling portals and portal networks throughout Faerűn. He's looking at controlling the gates indirectly. In the sense that he'll be doing a couple of things:-

1. Monitoring people movement; who goes where and more importantly, why;

2. Putting in place magics to control creatures or people using 'his' portals, or at the very least access their knowledge/memories;

3. Using his knowledge of portals and portal networks to bring groups or individuals into conflict and thereby benefiting from the fallout.

All of this is intended to be done without the hand of Larloch being apparent.




I hadn't heard this before, being that I'm not as lore savvy as most others here are. Would you mind pointing (perhaps by PM) were I could find more on this? This scares me a bit, considering a character that I'm running.....

Ack! I seem to have too much blood in my coffee stream!

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althen artren
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I was under the impression that the lichnee were pretty well culled out by the Knights and the Simbul in Tears So White. But I guess there could still be a dozen or so that were held back.
Cranking out new magic if fine, but I would have to assume that any intellect would get bored of such a pursuit after a couple thousand years. It just doesn't seem to me as a
good enough reason to "exist" for so long, at least to a healty psyche. The control of portals would help facilitate this plot, but it seems so mundane to such a grand creature.
But then I'm not a thousands of year old lich.
Containing something seems like a sound idea, if that were the case I wonder what others would know what he knows.
Would anybody like to guess how much of his exchange with the Knights was "acting" on his part? It felt very genuine, but then he has ruled kingdoms so would know how to protect his
opinions.
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althen artren
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Here is something else I have been chewing on since I have started reading Ed's novels a
couple years ago.

Does anybody else have the opinion that in all of his appearences, we have never seen the REAL Manshoon? I get the impression that all of his appearences have been made by active Statis clones, and that he is in some extra-dimensional space laughing at the show on Faerun and manipulating events on his whim. It's seems like something Ed would do

Also, here is an idea to his personality. Do the extensive use of his statis clone, his will to dominate all things around him stems a from hole in his soul essence or "being" and his intellect jumps from body to body. That he is trying to fill that missing part of his entity? Just a thought.

Questions:
Ed, how often can books and spellbooks from other planes of existance be found outside major active spellcasters libraries. Have enough made trips through other means like spelljamming or the Shadow plane to warrent a odds of 1 in 500 or so?

Also, though I doubt you can answer this, is heavy magic of the Weave or is it something else. I had the impression before putting together your replies that it was a sum greater that the parts of Shadow and non-Shadow Weave magic.
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The Sage
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Posted - 02 Mar 2008 :  00:34:59  Show Profile  Send The Sage an AOL message  Click to see The Sage's MSN Messenger address  Send The Sage a Yahoo! Message Send The Sage a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Kes_Alanadel

I hadn't heard this before, being that I'm not as lore savvy as most others here are. Would you mind pointing (perhaps by PM) were I could find more on this? This scares me a bit, considering a character that I'm running.....
I don't remember off-hand at the moment, so I'll have to take a look through my notebooks. I'll get back to you.

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The Hooded One
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Posted - 03 Mar 2008 :  04:01:15  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hello, all!
Ed just arrived back home from D&D Experience, and in addition to confirming that he has indeed played 4e (and very much enjoyed it; he described the RPGA DM who ran things at his table “superb!”), he read the Keep posts I’d sent him, and in response sent me this to share with you:


Hi everyone. A few swift responses, and then I have to hit the sack. I’m not as young as I once was, and keeping up with all the eating, gaming, drinking, and flirting with long-suffering WotC ladies (you know who you are) has exhausted me.

To Wooly Rupert: when you post sentences like this one: “And though I can't think of any evidence to support it, it's not impossible that part of what Larloch is doing is containing something...” be aware that you are (ahem) VERY perceptive.

To althen artren: “I was under the impression that the lichnee were pretty well culled out by the Knights and the Simbul in Tears So White. But I guess there could still be a dozen or so that were held back.”
Larloch held back many, many more.

“Would anybody like to guess how much of his exchange with the Knights was "acting" on his part?”
Aye, there’s the rub. A hint: he INTENDED to mislead them, but ended up being far more sincere than he’d intended to be.

“Does anybody else have the opinion that in all of his appearances, we have never seen the REAL Manshoon? I get the impression that all of his appearances have been made by active statis clones, and that he is in some extra-dimensional space laughing at the show on Faerun and manipulating events on his whim.”
Bingo. Perceptive indeed. However, the Manshoon we see onstage in the Knights trilogy, in SPELLFIRE, and in the “So high A Price” short story is the ‘original.’

Asgetrion: I’ll do you a proper reply later; I am still frightfully busy/late on things. Yes, there are training halls within the majority of urban temples of martial faiths. When you ask “And do these temples usually have curtain walls and gatehouses, even if they're not shown on the city maps?”
The answer is: no, not if they’re not on the maps. Temples out in the countryside almost always do.

And I’m afraid that’s all for right now. I’m yawning at the keyboard. As for all the gamers I met at D&D Experience: Thank you. Boy, we have a great hobby.


So saith Ed. Who is probably snoring as I post this, poor dear thing. Sleeping back with his lovely wife in their own bed should rest him up a little, though.
love to all,
THO

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Wooly Rupert
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quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

To Wooly Rupert: when you post sentences like this one: “And though I can't think of any evidence to support it, it's not impossible that part of what Larloch is doing is containing something...” be aware that you are (ahem) VERY perceptive.


Wow, that piques my curiosity! I hope we get to find out more about this.

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gomez
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Posted - 03 Mar 2008 :  08:24:03  Show Profile  Visit gomez's Homepage Send gomez a Private Message
I have to admit that. after a bit of googling, Larloch sounds interesting. Might be useful, in a 'I need to flesh out some unnecesarily complex plot and I don't have a lich yet' kind of way :P
Anyway, where can be found more info on Larloch, aside from the short story?
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Lady Kazandra
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Posted - 03 Mar 2008 :  10:41:34  Show Profile  Visit Lady Kazandra's Homepage Send Lady Kazandra a Private Message
"Lost Empires of Faerűn", "Lords of Darkness", "Volo's Guide to the Sword Coast", the "Netheril: Empire of Magic" boxed set and plenty of Ed's replies here at Candlekeep. These are entirely more responsible sources for information regarding Larloch, when compared to just about anything you'll learn online elsewhere.

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Chosen of Moradin
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Chosen of Moradin, a very helpful dwarf, brings to Ed´s plate a question of a brazilian player that don´t speak english, but wanto to learn more about the Realms:

"Oda Nobunaga asks:

- The Thayan Knights are part of the "canon", i.e., they are suported by old realmslore, or are only a Prestige Class added to the Complete Warrior suplement? There are something more that you can say about Thayan Knights, his story, deeds, and if there is some great one, that inspire others in service (like the good orders of knights?"

Chosen of Moradin, helping to seed the Realms in more places, day by day.

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Charles Phipps
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Posted - 03 Mar 2008 :  22:12:27  Show Profile  Visit Charles Phipps's Homepage Send Charles Phipps a Private Message
Odd question for Ed,

I know you've talked about the similarities and differences of the Realms to Tolkien's Middle Earth plus also things like how Cormyr was very different from certain depictions fans were given it of Arthurian epics. I was curious, however, how would you say what's similiar and different of the Realms to Howard's Hyborea?

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gomez
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Posted - 04 Mar 2008 :  08:21:07  Show Profile  Visit gomez's Homepage Send gomez a Private Message
Thank you, Lady (Kazandra? is that A Ravenloft reference?)
I have Lost Empires, and on my way to plunder the WotC download section...
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It is -- our lovely Lady Kazandra did indeed adopt the name of General of the Kargat for her username here at Candlekeep. The Lady Kazandra, as both the player and the character, was also once a regular NPC in my Realms/RAVENLOFT cross-over campaign back in '01/'02.

As for the WotC downloads, you're unlikely to find any of the sources the Lady K mentioned aside from the Netheril boxed set. The rest are, however, available as PDFs from paizo.com for just $4US.

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gomez
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I recall Kazandra was also an alias adopted by Cindi Rice (which I had the fortune to meet and dine with at Gencon, way back in 2nd ed. Ravenloft). Different lady, I'm sure.
Ravenloft cross-overs, hmmm... I'll probably stay away from that for the Realms, I already did that, after a fashion, in Greyhawk.
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ddporter
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Would Ed be so kind as to share with us some personal memories of Gary Gygax?
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The Hooded One
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Hello, all. Ed and I have been e-mailing back and forth since we heard the news, and when I sent him your post, ddporter, he responded with:


I have many, many happy personal memories of Gary, who was not just the father of our hobby, but (thanks to the nature of our hobby), the Emperor of Our Dreams.
Most of my memories are of the “you had to be there” variety rather than the “darned good anecdote” sort, but I do recall, at one of the first Parkside GenCons (for you youngsters, those are the GenCons that were held in the beautiful countryside campus of the University of Wisconsin - Parkside), meeting Gary (right after my first Pages From The Mages article had been published, if I recall rightly; he’d read it and been mightily impressed). He shook my hand, said to the gaggle of gamers and staffers surrounding him, “Back in ten, guys, maybe a little longer,” shoved open one of the glass doors that let right out into the rolling lawns of the “park” surrounding all the linked buildings, and said to me, “C’mon!”
We set off for a meandering walk around the parkland, talking fantasy books, and because I read voraciously and had grown up with a family library of accumulated classics of all sorts that was truly awesome in breadth, I had read about as widely in fantasy (from the ancient epics up through the latest generic sword-and-sorcery efforts) as Gary had. We chatted back and forth like two kids, eager to share our common love for fantasy with each other, and I promised to try to get him a copy of a Gardner Fox title he’d lost his copy of (duly gifted to him at the NEXT GenCon, by the way), and we parted with him hugging me and grinning like a kid.
THAT’S how I’ll always remember Gary: the kid just reveling in fantasy. A kid who just happened to have a beard and belly and glasses (and later, a mullet and hair that changed hue with age, and stronger glasses . . . and at the end, a motor scooter to help him with his walking). We did quite a few panels together at cons, down the years, and I recall one in Toronto with Robin Laws, Gary, and yours truly (at which Gary looked unwell and sounded very tired), where he brightened up at seeing me, and asked, “Still have the dress?”
This referred to an early GenCon panel about “What Dungeon Masters Do?” in which the moderator asked the six (all male, Gary and me being two of them) panelists how far we’d go as far as acting went, in-character, as a DM, including: “If you were in a full-costume murder mystery, even though most of you are hairy, overweight males with beards and/or moustaches, would you put on makeup, jewelry, and a dress, and try to ‘seriously’ act like an alluring female, instead of overacting or being full-on Monty Python ridiculous, despite how ludricrous you might appear?”
Gary replied: “Hell, yeah, just for a laugh. I’m afraid it would be a laugh, though.”
I can’t recall most of the other panelists’ replies (most were of the “Hell, no!” variety, I think), but I replied: “Certainly. Up to and including enthusiastic flirtation - - unless I knew doing so would upset my players! I’m there to ENTERTAIN my players, first and foremost, so their preferences rule.”
Gary looked down the table at me, and asked: “Would you really?”
I assured him I would, and to prove it, if he wanted proof, would borrow or buy high-fashion feminine garb in Lake Geneva and he could take me out to The Red Geranium (among what then passed for highbrow dineries in the town) for dinner, and we could play happy married couple for the evening. He cringed (after all, he lived there, and was married, and I did have a full beard and moustache, and was hairy and getting fat and was very obviously male), and said that doing so REALLY wouldn’t be necessary.
So the next year, when I was attending GenCon, I found Gary’s hotel room, bought a really snazzy dress in a secondhand shop in Milwaukee, put it on, knocked on his door, and bid him a sultry, “Hello, sailor!” Inevitably, I did so just as some of the hotel staff passed us, traversing the corridor. Gary stared at me with his mouth open for what seemed a very long time, and then whooped with laughter, laughing so hard he was banging on the door with his fist, all doubled over. Making my way to the elevator, I joined two of the staff who’d seen me at Gary’s door, collected the expected funny looks from them, and told them breathlessly, “That was Gary Gygax, a man so virile that manly men swoon over him!” I don’t know how they treated him for the rest of his stay, but when I passed him in the exhibit hall on Sunday, he asked me, “WHAT did you tell the hotel staff? They keep looking at me like I’m going to pounce on them!”
I put on an innocent look, and asked, “You mean you’re not?”
And he chortled again.
In short, though we rarely saw each other, we had fun (like two young, immature, carefree kids) on most of those few occasions, and I don’t regret one moment of it.
I DO regret that there won’t be any more of those moments.
Until of course, the day comes where I join Gary in whatever place old Dungeon Masters go when they pass on. I sure hope it’ll have crumbling castles and wicked wizards and dragons swooping low, and beautiful princesses needing to be rescued - - and even more gorgeous babes in full armor galloping up to us.
And being as Gary got there first, I’ll expect him to have my dress ready.



So saith Ed. Who regrets that just attending D&D Experience will probably mean he won’t be able to get time off work again so soon, to go and attend Gary’s funeral. Sigh. Rest in peace, Lord of Greyhawk.
love to all,
THO
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Raelan
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Thank you for your reminiscences of the father of our hobby. You brought a bit of life to a man I'd only ever known as a name--nay, a legend.

This is truly a sad day for gamers everywhere.

R.I.P. Gary Gygax

"I am convinced that one of these days I will be able to run a regular game that doesn't fall apart due to scheduling conflicts. I am also convinced that, on this day, hell will freeze over."

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Ed,

That "oh so old and rounded" blue dice you rolled for me last year...was rolled by Gary just an hour after. I think that old dice from the old red boxed basic set and now be retired as a relic of the game to be "ooood and ahhhed" at when I tell its story.

/tease....FYI, Gary rolled a 17 and not a stinky 1 !

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Long live Sniffy Wigglebottom

Edited by - AlorinDawn on 05 Mar 2008 16:24:39
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Indeed, thanks for sharing the memories.

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And some more, related questions for my never-ending queue... I was just reading thru Halls of the High King, and I noted this bit in the Helm Horror MC entry:

quote:
Some horrors have been encountered as bandits or adventurers. At least one horror, Aragus, leads a small caravan company operating out of Waterdeep. It communicates by writing, gestures, and (with its underlings) a tapping code. Other horrors have been found in groups, wandering the wilderlands or exploring old ruins. Horrors never seem to willingly fight other horrors.


That of course got me wondering (especially since I've always loved helmed horrors). Is Aragus still around? What are its goals? How is it treated by the folk of Waterdeep? What is its legal status (as in, is it considered a citizen, and if not, what rights does it have?)? Can helmed horrors gain levels or class abilities? And lastly, are there other noteworthy independent helmed horrors out there?

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