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Gelcur
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Posted - 20 Dec 2008 :  01:44:56  Show Profile  Visit Gelcur's Homepage Send Gelcur a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Jamallo Kreen

Which is a lovely opportunity to ask my next question: We know (I think!) that El uses World Walk to visit Ed, but are there ways to intentionally visit Earth in different time periods if one departs from Toril in the 14th century DR? (I mean the real Toril, by the way, just so that we're clear on the when and where.)


I think I remember this right. Elminster's Safehold had at least two portals, known as gates at the time, one leading to Ed's study, presumably in present day. And another portal leading to Yellowstone 1984.

As for syncing up the two worlds times. Grand History of the Realms has an entry for 1357 DR where Ed of the Greenwood assembles the first publication of the Forgotten Realms with El's help. So match 1357 DR to the dating of the first Realms publication and you can get an approximate sync. And if you don't have Grand History of the Realms go get a few copies it an awesome book!

Of course nothing says time must flow the same on both planes take, Faerie for instance it has a much slower time flow.

The party come to a town befallen by hysteria

Rogue: So what's in the general store?
DM: What are you looking for?
Rogue: Whatevers in the store.
DM: Like what?
Rogue: Everything.
DM: There is a lot of stuff.
Rogue: Is there a cart outside?
DM: (rolls) Yes.
Rogue: We'll take it all, we may need it for the greater good.
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The Sage
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Posted - 20 Dec 2008 :  01:58:24  Show Profile  Send The Sage an AOL message  Click to see The Sage's MSN Messenger address  Send The Sage a Yahoo! Message Send The Sage a Private Message
Sort of.
quote:
Originally posted by Gelcur

I think I remember this right. Elminster's Safehold had at least two portals, known as gates at the time, one leading to Ed's study, presumably in present day. And another portal leading to Yellowstone 1984.
Elminster's Holdout in Realmspace has a portal to Ed's study and library at his home, and to Yellowstone in 1894.

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Markustay
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REAL 1894, or the one from the Weird West games?

Now, Elminster visiting that Earth would be VERY interesting.

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From SJR2 Realmspace pg. 52:- "This is none other than Wyoming's Yellowstone National Park in the year 1894."

I would assume this means our Earth in 1894.

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The Hooded One
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Hello again, all. I can't wait for Ed's replies to The Sage re. storytelling (and hope the annual Descent of Family For A Tenday Or More At Christmas on him doesn't delay his replies too much), or to these time travel, spelljamming, and portal/gate questions.
Zandilar, I sent your latest post (re. Alusair's attempts to "bring the lads into her camp," so to speak), and he replied:

I think your pessimism is unfortunately pretty close to accurate, I'm afraid. Yet from Alusair's point of view, she's doing what she wants to do, to "fix" or better matters for Cormyr, for HER years ahead (and unless we have magic or undeath to live beyond our normal span of years, that's all any of us can ever achieve).
I really wish I could answer you more fully, but NDAs prevent. I'll hint this much, though: I have considered Cormyr's future at great length and in great detail, for professional reasons, though more than a little time may pass before any result of this appears anywhere but in my own head (and on my own computer). Sigh.


So saith Ed. Who is deep in a bitter winter storm at the moment, and experiencing both Net connection and power outages from time to time.
love to all,
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quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Hello again, all. I can't wait for Ed's replies to The Sage re. storytelling (and hope the annual Descent of Family For A Tenday Or More At Christmas on him doesn't delay his replies too much), or to these time travel, spelljamming, and portal/gate questions.
Now I'm really anxious.

My Lady, would you come to my chamber to help calm me down... just a little?

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Wooly Rupert
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quote:
Originally posted by Zandilar

I'm pretty pessimistic, as you can tell, and it might be that she does have a strong influence over the youth of Cormyr, but I can't see it lasting much beyond a generation or two, simply because of the tiny proportion of the population Alusair could realistically reach...



I think one fact is being overlooked here: she's influencing her generation -- the future heads of the noble houses. Every one of her supporters who ascends to the head of his family is going to be one who influences the rest of his house -- particularly his own offspring -- to be loyal to the Crown. Granted, not all of her blades are heirs, and undoubtedly at least one of her loyal blades will eventually shift his loyalties elsewhere -- but having the dedicated loyalty of a dozen houses or so can only help the Crown.

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Lord Karsus
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-In trying to match different chronologies, Brian's "A Temporal Chronology of the Primes" might be useful.

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GoCeraf
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Posted - 20 Dec 2008 :  07:08:31  Show Profile  Visit GoCeraf's Homepage Send GoCeraf a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Sage

Now I'm really anxious.

My Lady, would you come to my chamber to help calm me down... just a little?



I wish I were allowed to say stuff like that.

Another one, if I may.

Mr. Greenwood, what sort of knowledge do the scholars of the Realms have on nonmagical scientific topics like chemistry, microbiology, and other such things? Are the elements considered to be fire, earth, wind, and water, or is there a periodic table of sorts among the learned? Are things like cellular structure and the existence of DNA known to scholars?

If not, how do scientific theories vary throughout the Realms, and where are the scientific centers of understanding?

All the best.

Edit: Politeness

Being sarcastic can be more telling than simply telling.

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Markustay
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I know for a fact that the Netherease had their own Genome Project.

As in, "Gee, Gnome.... what do you mean you don't want to work for free anymore?"

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Wooly Rupert
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quote:
Originally posted by Markustay

I know for a fact that the Netherease had their own Genome Project.

As in, "Gee, Gnome.... what do you mean you don't want to work for free anymore?"



Oh, that's horrible! I like it!

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Nerfed2Hell
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Posted - 20 Dec 2008 :  17:50:28  Show Profile  Visit Nerfed2Hell's Homepage Send Nerfed2Hell a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Hello again, all. I can't wait for Ed's replies to The Sage re. storytelling (and hope the annual Descent of Family For A Tenday Or More At Christmas on him doesn't delay his replies too much), or to these time travel, spelljamming, and portal/gate questions.


Yuletide greetings to both you and Ed, THO.

While this topic is up in the air, I'd like to throw one in there. When Elminster visits earth (either to Yellowstone National Park in 1894 or to meet with Ed in our present), what kind of things does he get involved in or up to? I can't believe he'd come all the way to earth to spill the beans about this or that Realms trivia and not spend some time walking about doing this or that. Does he ever draw attention to himself, get involved in local matters, or otherwise meddle (even in minor ways) on earth? And what's with the portal to Yellowstone 1894? Sure, its a beautiful scenic place to visit... but does he take time out from his responsibilities on Toril to go camping, hiking, and other lengthy pursuits --or does he just pop in from time to time to look at the skyline then pop right back home again?

Also, have a Happy New Year!

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The Hooded One
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Heh. As I recall, the Yellowstone Park bit was some done-by-staff-designer silliness (probably the work of "slade"), but Ed later said:

I can work with that. Certain geysers and hot springs are perfect for disposals of magically-charging poisons, potions, and lesser magic items . . . as well as for untraced burials of artifacts, relics, and magic items of considerable power. As well, gate-hopping or plane-hopping mages who get REALLY chilled often welcome a hot mud bath.


Ahem. So saith Ed. Who didn't whiff of sulphur the last time I saw him, but ...
love to all,
THO
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Markustay
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He's probably been both Merlin and Rasputin... they both fit his personality (Merlin as depicted in Excalibur).

If he got himself some black clothes and a funny hat, he could blend-in in an Amish region, or perhaps even in a Hesitic neighborhood.

Now, before I get in trouble, I had better ask a related question...

If he has a gate into our past, does he also have one into the future?

I know it's possible, but I just don't see why he'd want to go somewhere even further removed from 'Medieval Times'.


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Edited by - Markustay on 21 Dec 2008 16:36:58
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Blueblade
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THO, over in another thread you just posted this:

As I understand the in-house designers' explanation, the twin planet of Toril, called Abeir, approached and then "phased through" Toril (the primary cause of the Spellplague/sundering of the Weave) and then kept on going. Rather than the two planetary bodies physically colliding and destroying each other, they shredded each other's magical fields (so Toril lost its Weave, but not its magic, because there was still chaotic, raging magic in the wake of the "pass-through," which gradually subsided into ripples, and then slowly calmed down to a "new norm" ). However, some lands were "swapped" (Abeiran lands like Laerakond and the land of the Dragonborn being gained by Toril, and Maztica and some Faerunian locales shifting over to Abeir).
The two planets then "moved on" (apart) in their endless circling dance around each other, each changed.
So yes, in uncounted millenia to come [*cough* in time for 5th edition *cough* or whenever a DM wants to change major things in their own campaign), this could all happen again.
There.
THE Secret laid bare.
love to all,
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Edit: spelling. @#$%$! frozen fingers!
Edited by - The Hooded One on 20 Dec 2008 19:32:32

So, my question is this: can Ed "work with" this with the same ease as he made lemonade with the lemons of the Yellowstone Park thing? I know the "home" campaign hasn't reached the time of the Spellplague yet, and I know you'll all vote on it and may well just vote it down, so it "never happens." My question ISN'T "which choice would Ed prefer?" but instead "What rich design or DM-running-a-campaign opportunities does Ed see in this?"
Thanks!
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Darkhund
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quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Hello again, all. I can't wait for Ed's replies to The Sage re. storytelling (and hope the annual Descent of Family For A Tenday Or More At Christmas on him doesn't delay his replies too much), or to these time travel, spelljamming, and portal/gate questions.
Zandilar, I sent your latest post (re. Alusair's attempts to "bring the lads into her camp," so to speak), and he replied:

I think your pessimism is unfortunately pretty close to accurate, I'm afraid. Yet from Alusair's point of view, she's doing what she wants to do, to "fix" or better matters for Cormyr, for HER years ahead (and unless we have magic or undeath to live beyond our normal span of years, that's all any of us can ever achieve).
I really wish I could answer you more fully, but NDAs prevent. I'll hint this much, though: I have considered Cormyr's future at great length and in great detail, for professional reasons, though more than a little time may pass before any result of this appears anywhere but in my own head (and on my own computer). Sigh.


So saith Ed. Who is deep in a bitter winter storm at the moment, and experiencing both Net connection and power outages from time to time.
love to all,
THO



But another thing to keep in mind, is the other princess. The one that DOES act like those noble girls are told they should. They may not become as close as Alusair's blades are to her, but its still something.
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The Sage
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quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Heh. As I recall, the Yellowstone Park bit was some done-by-staff-designer silliness (probably the work of "slade"), but Ed later said:

I can work with that. Certain geysers and hot springs are perfect for disposals of magically-charging poisons, potions, and lesser magic items . . . as well as for untraced burials of artifacts, relics, and magic items of considerable power. As well, gate-hopping or plane-hopping mages who get REALLY chilled often welcome a hot mud bath.


Ahem. So saith Ed. Who didn't whiff of sulphur the last time I saw him, but ...
love to all,
THO

Nice one Ed! I'm adding this little snippet to pg. 52 of my copy of Realmspace.

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Zandilar
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Heya,

quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I think one fact is being overlooked here: she's influencing her generation -- the future heads of the noble houses. Every one of her supporters who ascends to the head of his family is going to be one who influences the rest of his house -- particularly his own offspring -- to be loyal to the Crown. Granted, not all of her blades are heirs, and undoubtedly at least one of her loyal blades will eventually shift his loyalties elsewhere -- but having the dedicated loyalty of a dozen houses or so can only help the Crown.



She's probably not influencing enough of her generation to make a true difference. She might make her reign as Regent a touch easier (and she can't be as free with her favours as she once was while warming the throne for her nephew), and she might do the same for Azoun V, at least until he tries to make sweeping changes that are sure to tick (most of) the noble families off whether or not they formerly belonged to Alusair's Blades (see Grand History of the Realms for more details on what he tries early in his reign)... But beyond that - well, that all depends on the attitudes and personalities of Foril's peers, and how much of a diplomat and intriguer Foril is.

My view of Cormyr is that the anti-Obarskyrs are always plotting and scheming to end their reign - and pretty much nothing anyone does or says to them is going to change the idea in their minds which goes something like this "...the Obarskyrs are corrupt and greedy, they've been on the throne too long, and it's about time someone else (and we don't presume to nominate anyone, but we'd gladly accept the challenge ourselves) had a go already!"

Our shining vision of Camelot in Cormyr is not really shiny, and in fact it is probably somewhat tarnished... But then again, Camelot was really pretty tarnished itself - we just look at it through rose coloured glasses.

Zandilar
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~audaces fortuna iuvat~

As the spell ends, you look up into the sky to see the sun blazing overhead like noon in a desert. Then something else in the sky catches your attention. Turning your gaze, you see a tawny furred kitten bounding across the sky towards the new sun. Her eyes glint a mischevious green as she pounces on it as if it were nothing but a colossal ball of golden yarn. With quick strokes of her paws, it is batted across the sky, back and forth. Then with a wink the kitten and the sun disappear, leaving the citizens of Elversult gazing up with amazed expressions that quickly turn into chortles and mirth.

The Sunlord left Elversult the same day in humilitation, and was never heard from again.
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sfdragon
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so who does Elminster worship in 4e anyway???

I'm just asking out of curiosity

why is being a wizard like being a drow? both are likely to find a dagger in the back from a rival or one looking to further his own goals, fame and power


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createvmind
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Hello all,

Does an elder brain breathe, can it be drowned, can shades drown?
Are undead a pain in the tookus to devils and demons as I assume they have no soul in jeopardy. Have fiends (devils and Yugoloths in particular) found ways to deal with undead that is unknown in the mortal world? I assume these fiends over the aeons have gained access to untold secrets, true names and long lost magic, I also assume undead spellcasters of great power probably summon and seek to bind fiends to glean from them this very knowledge, fiends must chafe under such bindings and the fact they cannot exact revenge for all eternity against these undead. Am I wrong about this?

Any titans of note in faerun?

Thanks, thats all for the moment.
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My take - they don't really bother with each other, except in the case of Orcus. Undead have no souls for them (except maybe Vampires and Liches, but I'm not really sure on that point), and Undead only go after the 'living', which I interpret to mean "living, breathing, natural creatures from the prime material plane." They're very primitive goal is to snuff-out the 'lifeforce' of said creatures, whereas Fiends are out to 'eat it' - they are both types of parasites in a weird, magical way.

Then again, that means celestials (or any creatures filled with positive energy) should drive Undead beserk... hmmmmm...

quote:
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so who does Elminster worship in 4e anyway???

I'm just asking out of curiosity

The Simbul, silly.

Any man with any sense worships his 'lady-love'.

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Just stopping by tonight to wish Ed and THO and all others the happiest, healthiest, and heartiest Winter Solstice tonight!

Remember--the days all get longer and brighter from here on out! (Now about this snow....)

Steven
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quote:
Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin

Yes, like me (if I were so inclined, of course).



-Heh, found the quote.

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The Hooded One
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Oh, Dagnirion, you'll only fill the minds of lots of scribes with hopeful images, you know.
Steven, Ed sends fond good wishes back. Yesterday he drove the assembled family some forty miles through the snowstorm to see a Christmas Panto (ironically, right across the road from where Ed works, at the public library in Port Hope) and then back again, through MORE lashings of snow. Ed likes to take a good long private walk out under the moon and stars at solstice times, but yesternight that would have meant standing in waist-deep snow, peering up into the snow swirling down out of a milk-white sky.
Sage, Ed is working on a "proper" reply to your question, but wrapping extra last-minute presents, doing dishes, helping with large family meals, and shopping with his hungry and low-on-funds visiting family seems to have taken priority. He wishes it to be known that he has not forgotten you!!!!
love,
THO
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Hello All,

Exactly how difficult is it for a good guy (Cleric of Selune) to learn Hand Cant and Thieves Cant, have good organizations cracked these coded languages and set up places to teach it to their own without putting them at risk from trying to uncover it on their own?
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