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Alisttair
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Posted - 03 Jan 2008 :  22:55:17  Show Profile  Visit Alisttair's Homepage  Click to see Alisttair's MSN Messenger address Send Alisttair a Private Message  Reply with Quote
This "gamble" is getting me worried....I agree they should do like Marvel (heck, they can even call it "Ultimate Forgotten Realms" if they want to)

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Chataro
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just wondering what they going to do about larloch and A certain lich zulkir of thay
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DDH_101
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Posted - 18 Feb 2008 :  00:14:48  Show Profile  Visit DDH_101's Homepage  Click to see DDH_101's MSN Messenger address Send DDH_101 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Haha, just been reading your rants, Mace Hammerhand. I have to say, they are very interesting.

On the topic of Mystra being murdered, has there been any information about responses from the rest of the Greater Gods? I mean, I would assume Kelemvor to show some sort of reaction as Mystra was his old lover.

"Trust in the shadows, for the bright way makes you an easy target." -Mask
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 18 Feb 2008 :  00:21:38  Show Profile  Visit Rinonalyrna Fathomlin's Homepage Send Rinonalyrna Fathomlin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by DDH_101

Haha, just been reading your rants, Mace Hammerhand. I have to say, they are very interesting.

On the topic of Mystra being murdered, has there been any information about responses from the rest of the Greater Gods? I mean, I would assume Kelemvor to show some sort of reaction as Mystra was his old lover.



According to the Grand History of the Realms, Cyric was placed under house arrest by Tyr, Lathander, and Sune. That's about all we really know at this point.

"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
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sirreus
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Posted - 18 Feb 2008 :  02:15:35  Show Profile  Visit sirreus's Homepage Send sirreus a Private Message  Reply with Quote
mace,mace,mace
has anyone mentioned that you could actually brain hemorage
and die from too much ranting, or 'over ranting-itis'
as i like to call it.
just worried a little that's all

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Mace Hammerhand
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Posted - 18 Feb 2008 :  02:18:44  Show Profile  Visit Mace Hammerhand's Homepage Send Mace Hammerhand a Private Message  Reply with Quote
hehehe, if I don't vent my tummy gets all upset... and since I have those thoughts anyroad it really doesn't matter...if my brain explodes it will do so no matter what

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khorne
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Posted - 18 Feb 2008 :  17:49:36  Show Profile  Visit khorne's Homepage  Click to see khorne's MSN Messenger address Send khorne a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin

quote:
Originally posted by DDH_101

Haha, just been reading your rants, Mace Hammerhand. I have to say, they are very interesting.

On the topic of Mystra being murdered, has there been any information about responses from the rest of the Greater Gods? I mean, I would assume Kelemvor to show some sort of reaction as Mystra was his old lover.



According to the Grand History of the Realms, Cyric was placed under house arrest by Tyr, Lathander, and Sune. That's about all we really know at this point.

He made the nature of the very Planes themselves go Hooplaa! through his murder and all he got was house arrest?


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Mace Hammerhand
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quote:
Originally posted by khorne

quote:
Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin

quote:
Originally posted by DDH_101

Haha, just been reading your rants, Mace Hammerhand. I have to say, they are very interesting.

On the topic of Mystra being murdered, has there been any information about responses from the rest of the Greater Gods? I mean, I would assume Kelemvor to show some sort of reaction as Mystra was his old lover.



According to the Grand History of the Realms, Cyric was placed under house arrest by Tyr, Lathander, and Sune. That's about all we really know at this point.

He made the nature of the very Planes themselves go Hooplaa! through his murder and all he got was house arrest?





That would be another rant, but, frankly, why bother? The universe just proved to be finite, human stupidity is not...

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DDH_101
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Posted - 18 Feb 2008 :  19:16:12  Show Profile  Visit DDH_101's Homepage  Click to see DDH_101's MSN Messenger address Send DDH_101 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Khorne, I know what you mean...

All the troubles that the gods did to arrest Cyric after murdering Mystra and all they did is keep him trap on his plane.

BTW, I wonder how Shar escaped any prosecution from the other gods...

"Trust in the shadows, for the bright way makes you an easy target." -Mask
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 19 Feb 2008 :  02:32:56  Show Profile  Visit Rinonalyrna Fathomlin's Homepage Send Rinonalyrna Fathomlin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by khorne

He made the nature of the very Planes themselves go Hooplaa! through his murder and all he got was house arrest?





Yup! After all, Cyric is such an important character, and the designers want to tell new stories about him. Not like Mystra--no, no one wanted new stories about her.

"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
--Richard Greene (letter to Time)

Edited by - Rinonalyrna Fathomlin on 19 Feb 2008 02:33:10
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 19 Feb 2008 :  02:34:02  Show Profile  Visit Rinonalyrna Fathomlin's Homepage Send Rinonalyrna Fathomlin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by DDH_101

Khorne, I know what you mean...

All the troubles that the gods did to arrest Cyric after murdering Mystra and all they did is keep him trap on his plane.

BTW, I wonder how Shar escaped any prosecution from the other gods...



Because Shar is WotC's favorite deity, their darling child.

Yes, that was a tongue-in-cheek comment, but it's sorta-kinda true!

"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
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Braveheart
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Posted - 19 Feb 2008 :  07:35:20  Show Profile  Visit Braveheart's Homepage  Send Braveheart an AOL message  Send Braveheart an ICQ Message Send Braveheart a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by DDH_101

Khorne, I know what you mean...

All the troubles that the gods did to arrest Cyric after murdering Mystra and all they did is keep him trap on his plane.

BTW, I wonder how Shar escaped any prosecution from the other gods...



The Lady of Loss got lost...

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Entreri: "And the real thing can kill you whether you believe in it or not."
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DDH_101
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Posted - 19 Feb 2008 :  07:42:49  Show Profile  Visit DDH_101's Homepage  Click to see DDH_101's MSN Messenger address Send DDH_101 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Or maybe it's going to be like that situation where Cyric killed Leira with the help of Mask. Mask didn't really get punished for aiding the murder and I suppose this is the case for Shar. I wouldn't even be surprised if Shar has kept this "her secret".

Think about it, if all Cyric got for murdering the Goddess of Magic and throwing Faerun into chaos was just a house arrest slap on the wrist, imagine what kind of punishment they're gonna give Shar for aiding a murder?

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Mace Hammerhand
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Posted - 19 Feb 2008 :  13:47:46  Show Profile  Visit Mace Hammerhand's Homepage Send Mace Hammerhand a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Logic has nothing to do with it, and I'm sure that it will all be explained with "you cannot understand the ways of the gods" although in this case it should be noted that Mystra's death had a far bigger impact on everything whereas Leira's death was just something like a footnote and didn't really matter

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Alisttair
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Posted - 19 Feb 2008 :  15:17:43  Show Profile  Visit Alisttair's Homepage  Click to see Alisttair's MSN Messenger address Send Alisttair a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Mace Hammerhand

...whereas Leira's death was just something like a footnote and didn't really matter



What do you mean Leira's death didn't matter??? That was the most catastrophic thing to ever occur, the biggest RSE of all time!!

LEIRA RULES!!!!


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Ayunken-vanzan
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So you still think Leira is dead? The time of troubles really happened? The events of 4ed will be real? You seem to underestimate the real power of mighty Leira ...

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Jamallo Kreen
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Posted - 20 Feb 2008 :  07:14:34  Show Profile  Visit Jamallo Kreen's Homepage Send Jamallo Kreen a Private Message  Reply with Quote
And what's AO doing while all of this god-slaying is going on? Wait. Lemme guess: he's bought Hasbro stock in this crystal sphere and hopes to make a killing in the market by destroying the very foundations of the crystal sphere of which he is Overgod.


Ptui!



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Alisttair
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Posted - 20 Feb 2008 :  12:26:04  Show Profile  Visit Alisttair's Homepage  Click to see Alisttair's MSN Messenger address Send Alisttair a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Jamallo Kreen

And what's AO doing while all of this god-slaying is going on? Wait. Lemme guess: he's bought Hasbro stock in this crystal sphere and hopes to make a killing in the market by destroying the very foundations of the crystal sphere of which he is Overgod.



And he probably supports the Eberron line more.

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Darkheyr
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Posted - 20 Feb 2008 :  12:48:04  Show Profile  Visit Darkheyr's Homepage  Send Darkheyr an ICQ Message  Click to see Darkheyr's MSN Messenger address Send Darkheyr a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ranak

Considering Shar and Cyric's success in the past, it is not a terrible stretch in any sense to believe they would take down Mystra. It could be Ao's will.

Shar is older than Mystra and has already absorbed three porfolios, and has basically been plotting since the beginning of time - if anyone can figure out a way to nuke Mystra, its Shar.



Too true. Shar is, in my eyes, the sole truly evil and devious deity in the realm, with a neat backstory as well. If anyone would figure out a way, she would. And who else would be best suited to fulfill such a task for her than the god of murder? Well, if you ignore the fact that Cyric has never been anything else but a whiny incompetent lunatic :D

However, what I utterly despise is the way it was done. Cyric and Shar walk into Dweomerheart, and kill Mystra.

Just like that. You know - like if somebody walks into your home and smacks you over the head.
Its entirely undramatic, unbelievable - and absolutly not in character for both the Lady of Loss and the Prince of Lies. I'm not even going into the fact that I highly doubt Mystra could face defeat even against Cyric and Shar as long as they are in her very own home.

I could deal with the changes if there was at least some sense in the way how it was done. But right now, its really just "because the designer sayeth so!"

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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 20 Feb 2008 :  18:45:43  Show Profile  Visit Rinonalyrna Fathomlin's Homepage Send Rinonalyrna Fathomlin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Although, according to Shar's own creator, Ed Greenwood, Shar can at times be quite foolish and prone to overlooking things (maybe one of the more quote-savvy scribes can get this quote here). Also, going by her stats in F&P, her mental stats aren't that great at all (I think she has a WIS score of 24, which means all other gods are either as wise as she is, or better). Mystra bests her in the mental department and magic-using department.

My point being, Shar's reputation as the perfect-schemer is over-hyped, and definitely disputable. Even if I liked the plot about Mystra's death, I'd probably chalk up Shar's victory to a fluke.

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Edited by - Rinonalyrna Fathomlin on 20 Feb 2008 18:48:51
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Jamallo Kreen
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Posted - 20 Feb 2008 :  23:44:56  Show Profile  Visit Jamallo Kreen's Homepage Send Jamallo Kreen a Private Message  Reply with Quote
You mean Mystra's killed by a whale's flipper?!



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Purple Dragon Knight
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quote:
Originally posted by Jamallo Kreen

You mean Mystra's killed by a whale's flipper?!
ROTFLMAO!
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DDH_101
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Posted - 21 Feb 2008 :  04:59:47  Show Profile  Visit DDH_101's Homepage  Click to see DDH_101's MSN Messenger address Send DDH_101 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I still can't believe how Mystra doesn't have a backup plan for this.

I mean, even a king would have a successor or some kind of plan incase he gets assassinated.

BTW, I remember reading somewhere that Shar is preventing the rise of a new goddess of magic. Is this true and is the reason why the spell plague kept continuing?

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Darkheyr
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Posted - 21 Feb 2008 :  11:03:57  Show Profile  Visit Darkheyr's Homepage  Send Darkheyr an ICQ Message  Click to see Darkheyr's MSN Messenger address Send Darkheyr a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin

Although, according to Shar's own creator, Ed Greenwood, Shar can at times be quite foolish and prone to overlooking things (maybe one of the more quote-savvy scribes can get this quote here). Also, going by her stats in F&P, her mental stats aren't that great at all (I think she has a WIS score of 24, which means all other gods are either as wise as she is, or better). Mystra bests her in the mental department and magic-using department.

My point being, Shar's reputation as the perfect-schemer is over-hyped, and definitely disputable. Even if I liked the plot about Mystra's death, I'd probably chalk up Shar's victory to a fluke.



God stats are bollocks, if you ask me. And Shar has a vast advantage over just about all of the other deities - experience.
She's old. VERY old. And she has always been a schemer, not a big brute as the likes of Talos or Tempus.

It just isn't like her to cheaply smack her enemies over the head, and its not very fitting for the Lord of Intrigue either.
Apart from the fact that I still do not believe she is powerful enough to truly destroy Mystra on her homeplane in an actual fight.

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Wooly Rupert
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quote:
Originally posted by DDH_101

I still can't believe how Mystra doesn't have a backup plan for this.

I mean, even a king would have a successor or some kind of plan incase he gets assassinated.

BTW, I remember reading somewhere that Shar is preventing the rise of a new goddess of magic. Is this true and is the reason why the spell plague kept continuing?



It's from the second countdown feature, Magic in the Forgotten Realms. Quoth:
quote:
and jealous Shar suppressing the ascension of a new deity of magic,


And as someone pointed out, Shar is not in a position to do that. That's Ao's gig. So that's another aspect of this whole thing that does not follow established Realmslore.

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