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The Sage
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quote:
Originally posted by Fellfire

I am surprised that none have mentioned House Jaelre and the drow in Cormanthor. Of course, I've no idea what became of them after LP or if they've even survived post-SP.

I wouldn't mind learning more of the happenings of the Cormanthyr drow.

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quote:
Originally posted by The Sage

quote:
Originally posted by Fellfire

I am surprised that none have mentioned House Jaelre and the drow in Cormanthor. Of course, I've no idea what became of them after LP or if they've even survived post-SP.

I wouldn't mind learning more of the happenings of the Cormanthyr drow.



I'd love to see the conflict betwixt them and the forces rebuilding Myth Drannor, after the Crusade.

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CorellonsDevout
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Posted - 06 Nov 2012 :  23:22:48  Show Profile  Send CorellonsDevout an AOL message Send CorellonsDevout a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Jaezred! I'd like to read more about him, and how House Jaelre (sp?) is fairing, now that Vhaeraun is dead (hopefully 5e remedies that). I'd also like to know what Q'arlynd is up to, and how that drow mage school in Ssamath (again, sp?) is doing.

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Dennis
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None of the choices. I'd like to see more drow novels, but I don't want them to be deity-centric. There's much potential for independent adventure for the drow. Gods don't necessarily make it cool, IMO.

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CorellonsDevout
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Posted - 07 Nov 2012 :  05:25:06  Show Profile  Send CorellonsDevout an AOL message Send CorellonsDevout a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Why are you so much against the gods?

Religion is a big part of many drow's life. Yes, there are exceptions, but for the most part, a drow-centered story (unless you count maybe Drizzt) is going to likely deal with religion, even if the gods don't interfere directly.

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Dennis
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quote:
Originally posted by CorellonsDevout

Why are you so much against the gods?
In general? I believe we had that conversation before.

In this context though, it's not exactly the gods that I am against with, but the removal of the potential for what the drow could do if they are left to "stand on their own two feet."

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CorellonsDevout
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Haha yeah, we have XD do you wish they weren't in the Realms at all, or you just don't like the attention they get? I think the gods are a governing factor in the Realms, whether they are involved directly with their followers or not. I mean, even the non-religious invoke the gods' names, particularly ones like Tymora.

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Dennis
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Heh. Invoking a god's name does not mean the invoker believes in him/her/it. Besides, many Torilians only invoke the gods' names when cursing.

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CorellonsDevout
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Granted, but they still know that god exists, even if it is only lip service. It's not just faith-based. I mean, at least they know their is a Tymora whom they invoke when they want luck. They may not worship her, but they acknowledge her.

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Shere Khan
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Posted - 08 Nov 2012 :  15:48:27  Show Profile  Visit Shere Khan's Homepage Send Shere Khan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

I also didn't vote. I like Vhaeraun, but not the Jaezred Chaulsin. And none of the others interest me enough to want to read an entire novel on them. I might do it for Ghaunaduar, but possibly not.



My thoughts and feelings exactly. I do very much like Vhaeraun, but the dragons, half-dragons and dragon-blooded of the Jaezred Chaulsin don't particularly interest me.

quote:
Originally posted by The Sage

quote:
Originally posted by Fellfire

I am surprised that none have mentioned House Jaelre and the drow in Cormanthor. Of course, I've no idea what became of them after LP or if they've even survived post-SP.

I wouldn't mind learning more of the happenings of the Cormanthyr drow.



Now this I'd love to read about. Great idea.

quote:
Originally posted by CorellonsDevout

Jaezred! I'd like to read more about him, and how House Jaelre (sp?) is fairing, now that Vhaeraun is dead (hopefully 5e remedies that). I'd also like to know what Q'arlynd is up to, and how that drow mage school in Ssamath (again, sp?) is doing.



On the subject of Vhaeraun's possible return, I'm reminded of the time Vecna "absorbed" Iuz. Nevertheless Iuz wasn't destroyed, and somehow managed to escape and become a separate entity again when Vecna had his derriere kicked in Sigil. That event was even used as one of the explanations for the transition from 2e to 3e. So there is certainly precedent for this sort of thing.

quote:
Originally posted by CorellonsDevout

Why are you so much against the gods?

Religion is a big part of many drow's life. Yes, there are exceptions, but for the most part, a drow-centered story (unless you count maybe Drizzt) is going to likely deal with religion, even if the gods don't interfere directly.



I'd say this is more true in priestess (or priest) lead drow cities than outside of them. Religion isn't important as a matter of faith so much as it is as an official tool of control. Lolthian priestesses in particular are quick to play the religion card to exert their control over other drow. Take the clergy (including most of the female nobility) out of the equation and the typical Menzoberranzanyr drow is unlikely to be any more religious or faithful than surface folk, probably even less so since they've repeatedly seen religious power abused first-hand. I thus think it would be fairly easy to base an adventure or novel around say wizard-run Sshamath or Bregan D'aerthe's actions on the surface with little to no mention of religion.

Edited by - Shere Khan on 08 Nov 2012 15:50:27
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Alystra Illianniis
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I'd like to see a tale or two on the ones in cormanthor, and I'm more interested in the Jaezred Chaulsin than most of the others, but I'd take any of them if the story and characters were good. I'd also like to see the transformed dark elves, the current status of Dark Maiden's followers, and.... Oh, heck, just bring on the drow!!! I will say that I would like to see more of them even without the involvement of gods, as well.

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Zireael
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Posted - 09 Nov 2012 :  09:35:34  Show Profile  Visit Zireael's Homepage Send Zireael a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I agree that the Cormanthor drow are worthy of getting a novel (or two) at last...

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TBeholder
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quote:
Originally posted by Zireael

I agree that the Cormanthor drow are worthy of getting a novel (or two) at last...
Aye, and the best part is that they're stuck in the middle of everything, so while they don't exactly prosper, they have to play very complex and dangerous games. They must interact with surface elves, fiends, human factions, drow traders with routes near their territory, etc.

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CorellonsDevout
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Posted - 09 Nov 2012 :  19:21:44  Show Profile  Send CorellonsDevout an AOL message Send CorellonsDevout a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis

I'd like to see a tale or two on the ones in cormanthor, and I'm more interested in the Jaezred Chaulsin than most of the others, but I'd take any of them if the story and characters were good. I'd also like to see the transformed dark elves, the current status of Dark Maiden's followers, and.... Oh, heck, just bring on the drow!!! I will say that I would like to see more of them even without the involvement of gods, as well.



Hear hear! I like House Jaelre, even though they opposed the Cormantherian elves. I still like drow. And the Jaerzed Chaulsin would be nice too. I liked Nimor (or was that a different one?). Annnd...the results of LP, please.

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Zireael
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I've had enough of Nimor and Jaezred Chaulssin. Especially Nimor is not likely to come back.

The results of Lady Penitent I'd really love to see.

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Brian R. James
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Wizards of the Coast has absolutely ZERO interest in publishing drow material that is not tied to Lolth. I tried, *really* I tried but they are not budging. Menzoberranzan: City of Intrigue was pretty much your last hope of ever seeing the results of the Lady Penitent trilogy, and that material ended up on the cutting room floor.

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Shere Khan
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Posted - 10 Nov 2012 :  19:53:32  Show Profile  Visit Shere Khan's Homepage Send Shere Khan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Brian R. James

Wizards of the Coast has absolutely ZERO interest in publishing drow material that is not tied to Lolth. I tried, *really* I tried but they are not budging. Menzoberranzan: City of Intrigue was pretty much your last hope of ever seeing the results of the Lady Penitent trilogy, and that material ended up on the cutting room floor.



Menzoberranzan: City of Intrigue tried to do too much in too few pages. It really should have been twice the size that it was, or alternatively, a two volume set. This is not a knock on you personally, but as an update it falls short in so many different ways that I can't help but be disappointed. I can only imagine all the interesting material that got left on the cutting room floor... I don't suppose it's possible that WotC might be convinced to release the cut material as a free online addendum?
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Dennis
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quote:
Originally posted by Brian R. James

Wizards of the Coast has absolutely ZERO interest in publishing drow material that is not tied to Lolth. I tried, *really* I tried but they are not budging. Menzoberranzan: City of Intrigue was pretty much your last hope of ever seeing the results of the Lady Penitent trilogy, and that material ended up on the cutting room floor.
Perhaps Ed would have a better chance?

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CorellonsDevout
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quote:
Originally posted by Brian R. James

Wizards of the Coast has absolutely ZERO interest in publishing drow material that is not tied to Lolth. I tried, *really* I tried but they are not budging. Menzoberranzan: City of Intrigue was pretty much your last hope of ever seeing the results of the Lady Penitent trilogy, and that material ended up on the cutting room floor.



Say what? O.0 so does that mean Eilistraee and Vhaeraun won't be coming back, even in the Sundering? WotC could lose a lot of valuable costumers if they only focused on Lolth, IMO.

I mean, books with V and E can still be tied to Lolth, can't they? The ones in the past have been, especially since their followers are working against her. Drow are popular, and restricting the drow only to Lolth just makes them all the same. I'm not implying we need more Drizzt clones, but I've loved many of the followers of Vhaeraun and Eilistraee.

This news does not make me happy.

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Edited by - CorellonsDevout on 10 Nov 2012 22:21:04
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CorellonsDevout
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Posted - 10 Nov 2012 :  23:48:38  Show Profile  Send CorellonsDevout an AOL message Send CorellonsDevout a Private Message  Reply with Quote
To further add: I don't mean to be rude, so I apologize if I am, but this is rather disappointing. Next to elves, drow are my favorite race (ironic, no?), but narrowing their pantheon down to Lolth is making it not a pantheon at all, and it basically labeling them nonredeemable, unless they turned to the Seldarine--which is possible--but as discussed in other threads, V and E (particularly E), stood for so much. I thought 5e was going to be about moving forward. Drow make excellent characters, and you can have good drow characters without them being Drizzt clones, can't you? Making drow solely Lolthites is a step backward, not forward, at least IMO. What races will be featured in future novels then? Humans, with maybe a smattering of elves or halflings or dwarves here and there?

WotC is throwing a way a lot of potential if they are only going to focus on Lolth-tied novels.

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Zireael
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quote:
Originally posted by Shere Khan

quote:
Originally posted by Brian R. James

Wizards of the Coast has absolutely ZERO interest in publishing drow material that is not tied to Lolth. I tried, *really* I tried but they are not budging. Menzoberranzan: City of Intrigue was pretty much your last hope of ever seeing the results of the Lady Penitent trilogy, and that material ended up on the cutting room floor.



Menzoberranzan: City of Intrigue tried to do too much in too few pages. It really should have been twice the size that it was, or alternatively, a two volume set. This is not a knock on you personally, but as an update it falls short in so many different ways that I can't help but be disappointed. I can only imagine all the interesting material that got left on the cutting room floor... I don't suppose it's possible that WotC might be convinced to release the cut material as a free online addendum?



Alas, that is true, and I hope there is a free web enhancement to Menzo.

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quote:
Originally posted by CorellonsDevout

[...] narrowing their pantheon down to Lolth is making it not a pantheon at all [...]

Monotheon? Unitheon?

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quote:
Originally posted by BEAST

quote:
Originally posted by CorellonsDevout

[...] narrowing their pantheon down to Lolth is making it not a pantheon at all [...]

Monotheon? Unitheon?



Monotheism, though one could argue that by eliminating her own pantheon Lolth simply becomes part of the larger Faerunian pantheon.

Anyway, as to the question at hand, I didn't vote as I'd be perfectly fine never reading a novel about drow again, but since that isn't going to happen(my aunt keeps gifting me the Drizzt books), I'd like to see a book on drow of another location rather than faith. I'd like to see drow of some place other than Menzoberranzan.

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quote:
Originally posted by Brian R. James

Wizards of the Coast has absolutely ZERO interest in publishing drow material that is not tied to Lolth. I tried, *really* I tried but they are not budging. Menzoberranzan: City of Intrigue was pretty much your last hope of ever seeing the results of the Lady Penitent trilogy, and that material ended up on the cutting room floor.



Yay! So cool... They really know how to listen to customers and their own authors. Whatever pleases them.

And at this point I'd really like to know the reason for this 'hatred' towards anything drow-ish non Lolth based, considering that many people happen to enjoy such things. This kind of attitude doesn't have any purpose as I see it, except getting on some people's nerves.

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