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TomCosta |
Posted - 10 Dec 2019 : 22:38:11 Has anyone catalogued all of the 4E (or for that matter post print edition lore) Realmslore from Dragon and Dungeon magazine? If so, I'd be interested in that list. Thanks. |
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cpthero2 |
Posted - 25 Feb 2020 : 16:46:00 Master Zeromaru X,
Thank you. That makes a lot of sense. I'll definitely get back into the canon stuff from 4e and move on. A bitter pill to swallow, but it seems the sensible approach based on that position you've stated.
Best regards,
quote: Originally posted by Zeromaru X
quote: Originally posted by cpthero2
That being said, it was how they did the Spellplague, etc. that got me to hate WotC, and what they did to the Realms.
Well, I guess here most of us agree. The execution was bad, even if the idea has good elements. But, do not dwell in something that happened more than a decade ago and as you said it has been mostly "restored".
quote: Originally posted by cpthero2
So, in understanding that WotC basically did a half-ass mea culpa after 4e due to the rage factor from fen, how relevant is all that material in light of some of the backwards changes they made in 5e to stop the pitchforks and torches crowd?
Best regards,
Still relevant, as much as magazine articles can be. If you ask for validity and canonicity, then yes, they are still canon and valid.
You have to take into account that while they may have brought back stuff from earlier editions, they didn't invalidate or undone anything of what happened in 4e. So, those articles are still valid from an in-universe "historical view point", and those events still happened.
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Zeromaru X |
Posted - 25 Feb 2020 : 12:19:00 quote: Originally posted by cpthero2
That being said, it was how they did the Spellplague, etc. that got me to hate WotC, and what they did to the Realms.
Well, I guess here most of us agree. The execution was bad, even if the idea has good elements. But, do not dwell in something that happened more than a decade ago and as you said it has been mostly "restored".
quote: Originally posted by cpthero2
So, in understanding that WotC basically did a half-ass mea culpa after 4e due to the rage factor from fen, how relevant is all that material in light of some of the backwards changes they made in 5e to stop the pitchforks and torches crowd?
Best regards,
Still relevant, as much as magazine articles can be. If you ask for validity and canonicity, then yes, they are still canon and valid.
You have to take into account that while they may have brought back stuff from earlier editions, they didn't invalidate or undone anything of what happened in 4e. So, those articles are still valid from an in-universe "historical view point", and those events still happened. |
cpthero2 |
Posted - 25 Feb 2020 : 06:13:05 Master Rupert,
Fair enough. It sounds like I missed the epic hate train back in the day though from the little snippets I get here and there.
I'll try to keep my loathing to an almost imperceptible, roguish like commentary that push the bounds of what one might expect from a Leiran diplomancer. ;)
Best regards,
quote: Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
quote: Originally posted by cpthero2
Master Zeromaru X,
I should clarify: I don't care about the rules set for 4e, because I was happy with 3.5/PF, and so had absolutely no reason to change out the rules set.
That being said, it was how they did the Spellplague, etc. that got me to hate WotC, and what they did to the Realms. So, in understanding that WotC basically did a half-ass mea culpa after 4e due to the rage factor from fen, how relevant is all that material in light of some of the backwards changes they made in 5e to stop the pitchforks and torches crowd?
As Zero said, it's as relevant as you want it to be.
And we really don't need to keep up with all the edition-bashing. That got old years ago... I agreed with a lot of what people said against the 4E Realms, and said more than a little of it myself -- but it's done. Even if you don't accept it, continued bitching about it isn't going to accomplish a thing.
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Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 25 Feb 2020 : 01:58:17 quote: Originally posted by cpthero2
Master Zeromaru X,
I should clarify: I don't care about the rules set for 4e, because I was happy with 3.5/PF, and so had absolutely no reason to change out the rules set.
That being said, it was how they did the Spellplague, etc. that got me to hate WotC, and what they did to the Realms. So, in understanding that WotC basically did a half-ass mea culpa after 4e due to the rage factor from fen, how relevant is all that material in light of some of the backwards changes they made in 5e to stop the pitchforks and torches crowd?
As Zero said, it's as relevant as you want it to be.
And we really don't need to keep up with all the edition-bashing. That got old years ago... I agreed with a lot of what people said against the 4E Realms, and said more than a little of it myself -- but it's done. Even if you don't accept it, continued bitching about it isn't going to accomplish a thing. |
cpthero2 |
Posted - 24 Feb 2020 : 22:10:42 Master Zeromaru X,
I should clarify: I don't care about the rules set for 4e, because I was happy with 3.5/PF, and so had absolutely no reason to change out the rules set.
That being said, it was how they did the Spellplague, etc. that got me to hate WotC, and what they did to the Realms. So, in understanding that WotC basically did a half-ass mea culpa after 4e due to the rage factor from fen, how relevant is all that material in light of some of the backwards changes they made in 5e to stop the pitchforks and torches crowd?
Best regards,
quote: Originally posted by Zeromaru X
I guess that's up to you. There are very good articles in that list. The ones about Cormyr, Chessenta, the Moonsea and Vaasa, for instance, are excellent and well regarded by many fans. And the many "Eyes of the Realms" (by Ed Greenwood) really enhanced the Realms during the 4e era. I have my favorites, and I can make a list if you want.
But I guess that if you don't like 4e, no matter my opinion you would be biased against them, so my suggestion is that you read them and make your own opinion before you dismiss them just because you dislike an edition.
As for the 5e thing... given the lack of lore for that edition, the 4e articles will be as useful as they were for the people who enjoyed 4e.
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Gary Dallison |
Posted - 24 Feb 2020 : 22:04:11 Well I'm as anti 4e and 5e as they come, however, even I make use of the dungeon and dragon articles (particularly the backdrop articles or the forging the realms articles), they can have some good quality realmslore in them and can be tracked back to a pre spellplague origin if you want (with a little work), right now I'm adding in the House of Indulshield as a noble house of cormyr that I previously didn't know about. |
Zeromaru X |
Posted - 24 Feb 2020 : 21:51:47 I guess that's up to you. There are very good articles in that list. The ones about Cormyr, Chessenta, the Moonsea and Vaasa, for instance, are excellent and well regarded by many fans. And the many "Eyes of the Realms" (by Ed Greenwood) really enhanced the Realms during the 4e era. I have my favorites, and I can make a list if you want.
But I guess that if you don't like 4e, no matter my opinion you would be biased against them, so my suggestion is that you read them and make your own opinion before you dismiss them just because you dislike an edition.
As for the 5e thing... given the lack of lore for that edition, the 4e articles will be as useful as they were for the people who enjoyed 4e. |
cpthero2 |
Posted - 24 Feb 2020 : 20:29:13 Master Zeromaru X,
So, out of curiosity, knowing (at least my opinion here) how terrible 4e was for the Realms (I am indeed in that camp, haha), are those articles in the Dragon magazines and other non-novel based materials worth bothering with, or is it better to skip to 5e and forget the divorce?
Best regards,
quote: Originally posted by Zeromaru X
A few years ago, KanzenAU shared a list with us. I happen to have save it, so here we are:
Dragon: 362: Countdown to the Realms, Magic in the Realms, The Wailing Years, Grand History: Moonshaes 365: Cormyr 366: Non-Thay Red Wizards of Rose Keep, Gontal, Returned Abeir, Talking about 4e Realms 367: High Elf Magic, Epic Harpers, Genasi race, Drow in the realms, Auril's Hall of the Frostmaiden 370: Servants of Tiamat, Aglarond, Impiltur, Moonshaes 372: Tarmalune, Returned Abeir 373: Ecology of the Sharn 375: Gontal, Returned Abeir 376: Tarmalune, Returned Abeir, Sarifal, Moonshaes, Karador 377: Airspur, Akanul 378: Deity Domains, Channel Divinity: Bahamut, Airspur, Akanul 379: Akanul, East Rift, Tymanther 381: Channel Divinity: Torm, Eye of Justice, Everlund 384: Channel Divinity: Mielikki 385: Spellscars, Channel Divinity: Moradin 386: Drizzt/Salvatore magic items, Channel Divinity: Corellon & Sehanine 388: Channel Divinity: Tymora 390: "Elminster & Manshoon story" 391: Shadar-kai in the Realms, Winning Races: dwarves, Moradin 394: Channel Divinity: Corellon, Shifters in the Realms 400: Nine Hells (republished) 402: Neverwinter background (Son of Alagondar), Elven background (Seeker of Illefarn) 403: Artificers of Gond, other Artificers of the Realms 404: Kara-Tur, Seven Styles of Martial Arts, Ninja, Shan-zi (Runepriests), backgrounds, Hengeyokai race 405: Moonshaes backgrounds 406: Xraunrarr Shall Triumph, beholders of Cormyr 407: Cormyr: Purple Dragons, Battle Mages & War Wizards, Cormyr Ranks and Titles, Swords of State, "A Surprising Vintage" (Tethyr) 408: "The Enchanted Painting of Manyshields Hall" (Sembia) 409: Waterdeep backgrounds (Blackstaff apprentice, Halaster clone, Masked Lord), "The Merendil Gold" (Cormyr) 410: "The Talking Door" (Waterdeep) 411: "The Storm Bird" (Waterdeep) 412: Channel Divinity: Silvanus and Chauntea, "The Thing in the Crypt" (Marsember, Cormyr) 413: Bregan D'Aerthe, Drow roles and society, "Jantharl's Surprising Journey", "The Six Horned Crowns" 414: "Lost Dragon of Waterdeep" 415: Manshoon, Channel Divinity: Zehir, "Haunted Battlement" (Calimshan) 416: "Awakener of Golems" (Amn, Athkatla) 417: Sword of Savras (Tethyr) 418: Priests of beholders (Tethyr) 419: Dead Dwarf Mine (Saradush, Tethyr) 420: "Unraveller of Secrets fey-descended woman" (Scornubel) 421: Abyss trade goods 422: "Buckethelm" (Sembia) 423: "Alluring Dungeons of Illithids", Illithids of Heartlands 424: Desert of Desolation, Dragon that never died (Earthfast mountains) 425: Skullport inn, Slime/ooze cults, "Waterdeep story" 426: "Baldur's Gate peeps" 427: "Abeir-Toril splitting hooks" 428: Westgate, "Speaking Skull" (Saerloon Sembia) 429: Many-Arrows (pre War of Everlasting Darkness), Half-orcs of Many-Arrows, "Sembia Merchant" 430: Harpers of Waterdeep, Tam Zawad
Dungeon:
159: Loudwater adventure to do with Karse (Gray Vale, Netheril) 170: Phlan adventure (Moonsea) 171: Eye of Justice (Westgate), Drizzt fight 172: Airspur 3, Scornubel trader (Elturgard) 174: "Lost Book of Magic" 175: Gentle Ghost of Silverymoon 176: "Cormyr exile noble" 177: Vaasa, "Naerhands family: powerful merchants continent wide" 178: Chessenta, Deadeyes of Downshadow (Waterdeep) 179: "Ondal's Stand" 180: Shadovar vs Bedine adventure, Rallyhorn and Roaringhorn killer (Cormyr, Waterdeep) 181: Elminster fight, Circle of Fangs 1 (Cormyr) 182: Dracohar race (Osraun mountains) 183: Gauntlgrym, Circle of Fangs 2 (Cormyr) 184: Rastigur Stornont (Waterdeep Mirt-like thief) 185: Silent Sail merchant cabal (Marsember Cormyr) 187: The Blades (Cormyr) 188: Faction and organizations info 189: Waterdeep awards 190: Waterdeep's Wild Lords 191: Khalusk (buried Netherese crypt city near Illusk), "Jalander's Dodge" 192: Daggerdale, "Masks of Living Flesh" 193: Gauntlgrym adventure, Neverwinter Selune adventure, Neverwinter pub, "Winking Eyes of Rhauron" (item linked to Abeir) 194: Gond's Crafthouse of Inspiration (Eastrift), Thormil's Oxen (Cormyr) 195: Neverwinter aboleth adventure, Kara-Tur adventure, Xiousing in Marsember (Cormyr), Spellslayer Wine 196: Moonshaes, Ghost Knight of Galardoun (Ruins between Triel and Scornubel) 198: Cormyr Nobility, Suzail 200: Skullport (Waterdeep) 201: Undermountain traps (Waterdeep), Trobriand in Undermountain, Shadowdale Pub 204: Downshadow adventure (Waterdeep) 206: Xanathar Adventure (Waterdeep), About the Xanathar, About the Malaugrym 208: Fey'ri, Daemonfey, House Dlardrageth 210: Dalelands Harpers vs Zhentarim adventure (1369 DR) 214: Easting Elemental Eye Adventure 216: Dalelands Drow Adventure (1484 DR) 217: Baldur's Gate gnome thieves adventure 218: Dalelands Drow Adventure (1484 DR) 220: Icewind Dale Adventure (1485 DR?) 221: Elturgard High Moor Orcs black dragon adventure
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TomCosta |
Posted - 11 Dec 2019 : 17:46:46 Yeah, the article list is by subject and not title. Very useful. Thanks again. |
Zeromaru X |
Posted - 11 Dec 2019 : 14:02:14 quote: Originally posted by Brimstone
Whatever happened to Ed's Eye of the Realms articles?
They were published until the last issues of the 4e run. I guess Kanzen didn't named them as such, but many articles on that list are from that column. Was one of the best sources of lore of 4e.
Sadly, they died with the edition... |
George Krashos |
Posted - 11 Dec 2019 : 11:48:53 Like all of those many columns over the years, they simply ... stopped. Usually with a couple of unpublished articles lost in the mix,
-- George Krashos |
Brimstone |
Posted - 11 Dec 2019 : 03:59:03 Whatever happened to Ed's Eye of the Realms articles? |
TomCosta |
Posted - 11 Dec 2019 : 02:01:46 You are a rock star. Gratzi. Clearly you stand tall among us. :-) |
Zeromaru X |
Posted - 10 Dec 2019 : 23:28:59 A few years ago, KanzenAU shared a list with us. I happen to have save it, so here we are:
Dragon: 362: Countdown to the Realms, Magic in the Realms, The Wailing Years, Grand History: Moonshaes 365: Cormyr 366: Non-Thay Red Wizards of Rose Keep, Gontal, Returned Abeir, Talking about 4e Realms 367: High Elf Magic, Epic Harpers, Genasi race, Drow in the realms, Auril's Hall of the Frostmaiden 370: Servants of Tiamat, Aglarond, Impiltur, Moonshaes 372: Tarmalune, Returned Abeir 373: Ecology of the Sharn 375: Gontal, Returned Abeir 376: Tarmalune, Returned Abeir, Sarifal, Moonshaes, Karador 377: Airspur, Akanul 378: Deity Domains, Channel Divinity: Bahamut, Airspur, Akanul 379: Akanul, East Rift, Tymanther 381: Channel Divinity: Torm, Eye of Justice, Everlund 384: Channel Divinity: Mielikki 385: Spellscars, Channel Divinity: Moradin 386: Drizzt/Salvatore magic items, Channel Divinity: Corellon & Sehanine 388: Channel Divinity: Tymora 390: "Elminster & Manshoon story" 391: Shadar-kai in the Realms, Winning Races: dwarves, Moradin 394: Channel Divinity: Corellon, Shifters in the Realms 400: Nine Hells (republished) 402: Neverwinter background (Son of Alagondar), Elven background (Seeker of Illefarn) 403: Artificers of Gond, other Artificers of the Realms 404: Kara-Tur, Seven Styles of Martial Arts, Ninja, Shan-zi (Runepriests), backgrounds, Hengeyokai race 405: Moonshaes backgrounds 406: Xraunrarr Shall Triumph, beholders of Cormyr 407: Cormyr: Purple Dragons, Battle Mages & War Wizards, Cormyr Ranks and Titles, Swords of State, "A Surprising Vintage" (Tethyr) 408: "The Enchanted Painting of Manyshields Hall" (Sembia) 409: Waterdeep backgrounds (Blackstaff apprentice, Halaster clone, Masked Lord), "The Merendil Gold" (Cormyr) 410: "The Talking Door" (Waterdeep) 411: "The Storm Bird" (Waterdeep) 412: Channel Divinity: Silvanus and Chauntea, "The Thing in the Crypt" (Marsember, Cormyr) 413: Bregan D'Aerthe, Drow roles and society, "Jantharl's Surprising Journey", "The Six Horned Crowns" 414: "Lost Dragon of Waterdeep" 415: Manshoon, Channel Divinity: Zehir, "Haunted Battlement" (Calimshan) 416: "Awakener of Golems" (Amn, Athkatla) 417: Sword of Savras (Tethyr) 418: Priests of beholders (Tethyr) 419: Dead Dwarf Mine (Saradush, Tethyr) 420: "Unraveller of Secrets fey-descended woman" (Scornubel) 421: Abyss trade goods 422: "Buckethelm" (Sembia) 423: "Alluring Dungeons of Illithids", Illithids of Heartlands 424: Desert of Desolation, Dragon that never died (Earthfast mountains) 425: Skullport inn, Slime/ooze cults, "Waterdeep story" 426: "Baldur's Gate peeps" 427: "Abeir-Toril splitting hooks" 428: Westgate, "Speaking Skull" (Saerloon Sembia) 429: Many-Arrows (pre War of Everlasting Darkness), Half-orcs of Many-Arrows, "Sembia Merchant" 430: Harpers of Waterdeep, Tam Zawad
Dungeon:
159: Loudwater adventure to do with Karse (Gray Vale, Netheril) 170: Phlan adventure (Moonsea) 171: Eye of Justice (Westgate), Drizzt fight 172: Airspur 3, Scornubel trader (Elturgard) 174: "Lost Book of Magic" 175: Gentle Ghost of Silverymoon 176: "Cormyr exile noble" 177: Vaasa, "Naerhands family: powerful merchants continent wide" 178: Chessenta, Deadeyes of Downshadow (Waterdeep) 179: "Ondal's Stand" 180: Shadovar vs Bedine adventure, Rallyhorn and Roaringhorn killer (Cormyr, Waterdeep) 181: Elminster fight, Circle of Fangs 1 (Cormyr) 182: Dracohar race (Osraun mountains) 183: Gauntlgrym, Circle of Fangs 2 (Cormyr) 184: Rastigur Stornont (Waterdeep Mirt-like thief) 185: Silent Sail merchant cabal (Marsember Cormyr) 187: The Blades (Cormyr) 188: Faction and organizations info 189: Waterdeep awards 190: Waterdeep's Wild Lords 191: Khalusk (buried Netherese crypt city near Illusk), "Jalander's Dodge" 192: Daggerdale, "Masks of Living Flesh" 193: Gauntlgrym adventure, Neverwinter Selune adventure, Neverwinter pub, "Winking Eyes of Rhauron" (item linked to Abeir) 194: Gond's Crafthouse of Inspiration (Eastrift), Thormil's Oxen (Cormyr) 195: Neverwinter aboleth adventure, Kara-Tur adventure, Xiousing in Marsember (Cormyr), Spellslayer Wine 196: Moonshaes, Ghost Knight of Galardoun (Ruins between Triel and Scornubel) 198: Cormyr Nobility, Suzail 200: Skullport (Waterdeep) 201: Undermountain traps (Waterdeep), Trobriand in Undermountain, Shadowdale Pub 204: Downshadow adventure (Waterdeep) 206: Xanathar Adventure (Waterdeep), About the Xanathar, About the Malaugrym 208: Fey'ri, Daemonfey, House Dlardrageth 210: Dalelands Harpers vs Zhentarim adventure (1369 DR) 214: Easting Elemental Eye Adventure 216: Dalelands Drow Adventure (1484 DR) 217: Baldur's Gate gnome thieves adventure 218: Dalelands Drow Adventure (1484 DR) 220: Icewind Dale Adventure (1485 DR?) 221: Elturgard High Moor Orcs black dragon adventure |
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