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Cosmar Posted - 01 Jun 2019 : 23:43:46
Hi all,

So our 3.5 group is about to go off on another mission, and we still have a couple days in town (Silverymoon to be specific) to prepare. We're going to be fighting a lot of fey and magical beasts (we're going to a demiplane housing an ancient Unseelie Fey Court, in which one tenday there equals a year on the prime).

I am a sun elf wizard5/harper mage 4. Our other members (all level 9) are: human swashbuckler/rogue, half-orc paladin of Ilmater, human fighter/occult slayer, human warmage (heading for exalted arcanist), and human Spirit Shaman (the player who manned our cleric had to bow out of the game).

My spells known are below. In this game, we houseruled that spellbook-using characters can learn/scribe new spells at the rate of 1 per day (and only during downtime). Given the nature of our quest, once we're inside this demiplane, we won't be able to leave again till we're finished. If you see any glaring omissions in this spellbook (like, "duh, WHY don't you know this spell") or even one or two that would be really helpful, please let me know! Everything we know so far points to this being a really hard mission.

(Allowed sources are VAST, very few sources are banned).

1: Mage Armor, Shield, Snilloc's Snowball, Magic Missile, Identify, Wall of Smoke, Ray of Enfeeblement, Silent Image, Enlarge Person, Expeditious Retreat, Benign Transposition, Targeting Ray, Blood Wind, Backbiter, Nerveskitter, Magecraft, Alarm, Swift Expeditious Retreat, Spontaneous Search, Scholar's Touch

2: Mirror Image, Invisibility, Rope Trick, Scorching Ray, Glitterdust, Shatter, Fog Cloud, Frost Breath, Baleful Transposition, Daze Monster, Levitate, Resist Energy, Alter Self, Dark Way, Quick Potion, Unseen Crafter, Insight of Good Fortune, Detect Thoughts, Listening Lorecall, Spymaster's Coin, Knock, See Invisibility

3: Haste, Scintillating Sphere, Great Thunderclap, Dispel Magic, Arcane Sight, Clairaudience/Clairvoyance, Shivering Touch, Summon Monster III, Unluck, Greater Magic Weapon, Anticipate Teleportation, Fly

4: Greater Invisibility, Solid Fog, Defenestrating Sphere, Scrying, Resilient Sphere, Orb of Electricity, Metal Melt, Celerity

5: Teleport, Telepathic Bond, Telekinesis, Miasma of Entropy, Swift Etherealness, Sending.
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cpthero2 Posted - 06 Dec 2020 : 23:34:10
Senior Scribe Delnyn,

I'm glad you brought that back full circle. It looks like Acolyte Cosmar hasn't made a post since 06 May 20. Hopefully all is well with him. I am curious myself as to how things have moved forward! :)

Best regards,





Delnyn Posted - 06 Dec 2020 : 20:26:02
So how are the spell acquisition and the campaign proceeding?
cpthero2 Posted - 21 Nov 2020 : 20:20:05
Senior Scribe Delnyn,

quote:
Short version of Magic Disruption. As long as you have an abjuration spell of at least 3rd level perpared, you can force a rival spellcaster to succeed a Concentration check of DC 15 + highest level abjuration spell prepared. You also get a +1 caster level to all abjuration spells, whether or not you prepared an abjuration spell.


Important component with that reserve feat as well is the -2 to caster level of the spell and -2 to the DC. That's pretty dang good for an immediate action. ;)

I think it is a must for a specialist abjurer. One of the best wizards I ever saw in a game was a focused specialist, master specialist abjurer. Absolutely awe inspiring!

Best regards,



Delnyn Posted - 21 Nov 2020 : 17:05:06
I should have mentioned I was using 3.5 edition as a reference point for dispel magic and the reserve feat Magic Disruption. In that edition, dispel magic is abjuration. Magic Disruption can be found the the 3.5 ed splatbook Complete Mage.

Short version of Magic Disruption. As long as you have an abjuration spell of at least 3rd level perpared, you can force a rival spellcaster to succeed a Concentration check of DC 15 + highest level abjuration spell prepared. You also get a +1 caster level to all abjuration spells, whether or not you prepared an abjuration spell.

A wizard who lets an opponent engage in melee deserves a Darwin Award. Slugfesting with the monsters is the meatwall's melee character's job.
Ayrik Posted - 21 Nov 2020 : 15:55:29
quote:
Dispel magic is one of those "must have" spells unless abjuration is a prohbited school. (Such a wizard should be nominated for the Darwin Award, but I digress.)

My understanding is that dispel magic is part of the "universal" school. Available to all wizards regardless of any normal school oppositions or restrictions.
(Plenty of wizards and abjurers are suitable candidates for Darwin Awards, with or without any kind of dispel magic. But I also digress.)

quote:
In your opinion, would it be worthwhile for an abjurer to take the Magic Disruption reserve feat at 5th level?

I don't know this feat well enough to have much opinion, lol, I don't even know which game edition or sourcebook you're referencing.
If it's a better, simpler, faster, cheaper, or more versatile version of dispel magic then it would seem to be a good choice. Especially if it could replace the need to occupy a spell slot.
But it largely depends on what other feat(s) might have to be traded away to obtain this feat. Along with what other complimentary feats the abjurer might be able to access at lower and at higher levels.

And, as useful as dispel magic might be in the hands of a creative wizard ... it's not going to help against a big angry troll or a violent brute sticking something pointy into your flesh. There are some situations where fireball is the smarter choice.
Delnyn Posted - 21 Nov 2020 : 15:42:34
Dispel magic is one of those "must have" spells unless abjuration is a prohbited school. (Such a wizard should be nominated for the Darwin Award, but I digress.) I appreciate the focus placed on using dispel magic as a preventative measure before using to stop already existent effects.

In your opinion, would it be worthwhile for an abjurer to take the Magic Disruption reserve feat at 5th level?

quote:
Originally posted by Ayrik

Ye olde dispel magic is sorely underrated. And underestimated. Quick and easy to cast. Area effect. Not overtly "aggressive", if that matters.
Neutralize some or all of a target's magics - spells, items, potions, scrolls, etc.

If you're confronted by higher-level magics or by paranoid multiple-multiple-redundancy layers of hardened defenses then your magics are already outclassed anyhow. It won't do much more than annoy a powerful lich or dragon, though there's always a small chance you could get lucky.

But if you're confronted by magics about "equivalent" to your own (as you should be) then you can usually knock out at least one or two magics which are critical components of your opponent's tactics and strategy. All else being equal, you knock out some advantage(s) before everybody's forced into melee. It's particularly effective when enemies don't know whether or not they can rely on their stoneskin or contingency or magic item actually working until tested in combat. Summons and illusions can simply vanish (or become uncontrolled). Magical armor can suddenly become as heavy and clumsy as nonmagical armor, without offering any magical protection. Magical weapons can suddenly be unable to strike targets, and they can't impose harmful magical effects. Magical potions and scrolls can become inert. Magical "emergency last-resort overkill" or "emergency escape" options can become unreliable (and that alone is often enough to force most experienced adventurers to retreat).

Most useful vs things (like elves and fey and adventuring parties) which have great affinity and reliance on magic in combat.

And it can even be used defensively, cast on yourself and/or your allies, to remove controlling enchantments or other undesirable effects. And it could have all sorts of uses outside combat. Much more versatile than packing another predictable fireball into your arsenal.

cpthero2 Posted - 19 Nov 2020 : 02:36:22
Senior Scribe Delnyn,

A fair assessment for sure. I believe as well using the "mundane" skills first is best. Magic can cause a quickly escalating situation when it is used. In a good many places it is a serious crime to even do so, even innocuously. Great points!

Best regards,




Ayrik Posted - 19 Nov 2020 : 00:47:06
Ye olde dispel magic is sorely underrated. And underestimated. Quick and easy to cast. Area effect. Not overtly "aggressive", if that matters.
Neutralize some or all of a target's magics - spells, items, potions, scrolls, etc.

If you're confronted by higher-level magics or by paranoid multiple-multiple-redundancy layers of hardened defenses then your magics are already outclassed anyhow. It won't do much more than annoy a powerful lich or dragon, though there's always a small chance you could get lucky.

But if you're confronted by magics about "equivalent" to your own (as you should be) then you can usually knock out at least one or two magics which are critical components of your opponent's tactics and strategy. All else being equal, you knock out some advantage(s) before everybody's forced into melee. It's particularly effective when enemies don't know whether or not they can rely on their stoneskin or contingency or magic item actually working until tested in combat. Summons and illusions can simply vanish (or become uncontrolled). Magical armor can suddenly become as heavy and clumsy as nonmagical armor, without offering any magical protection. Magical weapons can suddenly be unable to strike targets, and they can't impose harmful magical effects. Magical potions and scrolls can become inert. Magical "emergency last-resort overkill" or "emergency escape" options can become unreliable (and that alone is often enough to force most experienced adventurers to retreat).

Most useful vs things (like elves and fey and adventuring parties) which have great affinity and reliance on magic in combat.

And it can even be used defensively, cast on yourself and/or your allies, to remove controlling enchantments or other undesirable effects. And it could have all sorts of uses outside combat. Much more versatile than packing another predictable fireball into your arsenal.
Delnyn Posted - 19 Nov 2020 : 00:18:18
quote:
Originally posted by cpthero2

Senior Scribe Delnyn,

Fancy meeting you here good sir! :)

I appreciate the support there. I've always found divination to be the most powerful school in the game. Save you evocation and other beat down spells for the things you really need to kill, and use that divination to mitigate risk! :)

What you think about that?

Best regards,




With it comes to intel gathering, I would first concentrate on training Knowledge, Gather Information and perception skills. Then I would cast divination spells to cover the holes left by mundane methods. If you need to get information from a reluctant target, I would recommend using Diplomacy before trying a charm, compulsion or mind scanning spell.
cpthero2 Posted - 18 Nov 2020 : 22:10:01
Senior Scribe Delnyn,

Fancy meeting you here good sir! :)

quote:
That said, as long as your party has a warmage, I would not worry about damage spells as much as having intel-gathering as cpthero2 suggested and preventing/stopping those nasty fey curses.


I appreciate the support there. I've always found divination to be the most powerful school in the game. Save you evocation and other beat down spells for the things you really need to kill, and use that divination to mitigate risk! :)

What do you think about that?

Best regards,



**EDIT: Added a transitive verb I forgot.
Delnyn Posted - 15 Nov 2020 : 18:03:55
Cosmar,
How is the adventure proceeding and do you need more suggestions of spells to put in Kethimal's spellbook? New developments in the adventure would drastically affect any such suggestions. That said, as long as your party has a warmage, I would not worry about damage spells as much as having intel-gathering as cpthero2 suggested and preventing/stopping those nasty fey curses.
cpthero2 Posted - 08 Nov 2020 : 01:37:23
Seeker Cosmar,

I would definitely take Prying Eyes and Rary's Telepathic Bond. I am of the mind that divination spells are the most powerful spells in the game. Knowledge is power!

Best regards,



Copper Elven Vampire Posted - 02 May 2020 : 03:42:02
quote:
Originally posted by Delnyn

Are Kethimal and party still in the demiplane with Unseelie Court fey? I'm quite interested in how he is doing.



Yes and no. Depends on what creation ploy you go with. Wheel or tree?

A crystaline spell or a freeze spell, and follow it up with a force spell of any sort. Shout from the Bard, or Force-fist from our warlock. the defenses, if not the creature will explode into shards of death.

And just remember... even a wizard knows how to use a dagger in melee.
Delnyn Posted - 13 Apr 2020 : 15:12:04
Are Kethimal and party still in the demiplane with Unseelie Court fey? I'm quite interested in how he is doing.
Arivia Posted - 12 Apr 2020 : 21:07:44
If you're looking at any kind of 3e spell, always always check to see if it's been updated in the Spell Compendium.
Cosmar Posted - 12 Apr 2020 : 09:00:25
I like that idea, Copper. Once I get there (if I survive) I'll check it out!

One new-to-me spell I found that could be fun is from the 3.5 book (or is it 3.0? I dunno) Shining South:

Brittleskin
(Shining South)

Transmutation
Level: Druid 3, Ranger 3, Sorcerer 3, Wizard 3, Spellthief 3, Consecrated Harrier 3,
Components: V, S,
Casting Time: 1 standard action
Range: Medium (100 ft. + 10 ft./level)
Target: One creature
Duration: 1 round/level
Saving Throw: Fortitude negates
Spell Resistance: Yes

You cause a creature's natural armor to crystallize and become brittle.
Whenever the affected creature is hit in combat, part of the crystallized hide cracks and shatters, dealing it additional lethal damage equal to its natural armor bonus.
Thus, if a creature with +3 natural armor is affected by this spell, it takes an extra 3 points of damage each time it is struck by a melee, ranged, or natural weapon.
The creature's actual Armor Class does not change.

The biggest downside is the Fort save, since it seems most creatures with a substantial Natural Armor bonus that this would really adversely affect would have pretty high Fort saves.
Copper Elven Vampire Posted - 27 Mar 2020 : 20:02:50
quote:
Originally posted by Delnyn

quote:
Originally posted by LordofBones

...You mean glass strike?





I believe you are correct. The problem is glass strike is a 7th level spell and too powerful for the wizard 5/ Harper Mage 4 character in question.



You're both right, on both accounts. It's a wicked nifty spell-combo once you're able to get there though. lol.
Copper Elven Vampire Posted - 27 Mar 2020 : 19:58:19
quote:
Originally posted by LordofBones

...You mean glass strike?





Typo. I apologize.
Delnyn Posted - 26 Mar 2020 : 01:03:34
quote:
Originally posted by LordofBones

...You mean glass strike?





I believe you are correct. The problem is glass strike is a 7th level spell and too powerful for the wizard 5/ Harper Mage 4 character in question.
LordofBones Posted - 25 Mar 2020 : 12:39:51
...You mean glass strike?

Copper Elven Vampire Posted - 25 Mar 2020 : 01:48:39
If you are powerful enough to cast a Glasteal Spell, and then immediately cast a Shatter spell, you can kill a enemy of your HD or less no problem.
xaeyruudh Posted - 18 Nov 2019 : 09:24:50
Looks like I'm arriving late, but if you're still looking for useful spells I've always been a huge fan of sleep for low-level "crowd control" and the versatile chromatic orb for tackling monsters with resistances.

No 3e sources for chromatic orb, but I believe 1e Unearthed Arcana and 2e Wizard's Handbook have it.

I second Wooly's endorsement of the wand of misplaced objects, and that reminds me of the wand of viscous globules... which might be used to keep things exactly where they are right now.
Cosmar Posted - 17 Nov 2019 : 00:30:57
My character is a level 9 wizard (wizard 5/ Harper Mage 4) and he follows Corellon. (This is a 3.5 game if I forgot to say so.)

I ended up learning Arcane Eye, Black Tentacles and Wall of Stone before we set out. I also learned the spells Demon Dirge and Dismissal from a couple scrolls we were given by Taern Hornblade to help our quest (which has involved a lot of demons lately). I decided not to pick up Remove Curse or Break Enchantment yet, since our Spirit Shaman dropped out and has been replaced by a female gold elven cleric of Corellon.

Copper Elven Vampire, I really wish I'd have picked up Rend Shadow Weave, as one of our current antagonists in this adventure is a Vhaeraun-worshiping drow elven Shadow Adept named Az'raxezyl. His Shadow Magic is really annoying and hard to counter!

My gold elf House name is Sylairaque. I actually wrote up a very detailed family history and lineage.

Its colors are silver and blue, and its crest is a winged male pixie with six stars arcing over its head, holding a raven in one hand and a dove in the other. The official house motto is "Galad Uireb," or "Light Unending."

They can trace their lineage back to a High Mage of Aryvandaar named Ansravar. He was a typical Aryvandaaran and did a lot of bad things in the Crown Wars in the fervent belief that they were doing the right thing because he truly believed Sun Elves needed to lead ("subjugate") the other elves. The House avoided going down with the Vyshaan when, during the time of the Elven Court's judgment, then-patriarch Telhilion disavowed the Vyshaan, repented of their involvement in the Wars, and abandoned Aryvandaar. Ever since then, House Sylairaque has in one way or another been trying to sort of redeem themselves for Ansravar's deeds in the Crown Wars and have been more open-minded about cooperating with other races than most gold elves (though still in a condescending, almost subconscious mindset of "hey, the stupid races sometimes have good ideas, too!")

As Telhilion's dying wish, House Sylairaque was eventually involved in establishing Siluvenade as a "do-over" from Aryvandaar. In the Seven Citadels' War, then-patriarch Caelemar (also a high mage of Siluvanede) foresaw the onset of the war and bid his family flee to their ancient holdings in Evermeet, but he stayed behind, defected to the side of Earlann and fought against his gold elf cousins. In one of the final battles of the war, he perished in a spell-duel with another high mage of Siluvanede, Vonlian Tiavya, who had once been a friend and protege. Vonlian also perished. (It is to Caelemar that modern Sylairaques look up to as an inspiration.)

Many years later, Sylairaque Patriarch Almarael (a champion of Corellon Larethian) moved the House back to Faerun to participate in the establishment of Cormanthyr. His daughter, the abjuress Tialea, and he took part in the destruction of the temple of Moander, and Tialea was one of the wizards who lent her power toward the establishment of Myth Drannor's mythal. (She also later taught in the magic school there.) Almarael died peacefully of old age in time to see the founding of Myth Drannor. House Sylairaque remained in Myth Drannor until its fall. When Myth Drannor fell, 99% of House Sylairaque died defending the city (including then-Patriarch, archmage Talethil, who died protecting the magic school). The only survivors were middle-child Gaelean and his wife and son, Calruil (aged 17 at the time). They fled to Evermeet and began rebuilding their House. Gaelean instituted an isolationist policy for his house, being very xenophobic and not interested in leaving Evermeet. His claim was that the House had already redeemed itself and paid tenfold for Ansravar's sins, and that every time the House got involved in Faerunian affairs, it always ended in disaster and grief.

My character (Kethamil) was born in 1226 DR in Silverymoon to Valandil Sylairaque, a wizard and Spellguard of Silverymoon (and, as I later found out from my DM, also a Harper) and his wife, Ruasar, a bard. Valandil was born in Evermeet in 1080 DR as the oldest child of Patriarch Corihar Sylairaque, who was the son of Calruil. Corihar is an archmage who is extremely xenophobic and elf supremacist and had zero interest in leaving Evermeet. His other children are Solviel (a cleric of Labelas Enoreth) and Nyralya (a druid priestess of Rillifane). Valandil was restless in Evermeet and wanted to make a name for their House again by helping out elvendom in Faerun. So eventually he and Ruasar moved to Faerun, adventuring for a time before settling in Silverymoon, where he became a staunch defender of the city because he believed in the dream of Silvermoon as the "Myth Drannor of the North." He and Ruasar fought in the Battle of Tumbleskulls in 1235 DR, and he was one of the first generation of Spellguards begun in 1255, and later defended the city from a Cult of the Dragon attack in 1361.

At the start of the game, Valandil has been missing for over a year after disappearing on what was supposed to be a routine patrol with the Knights in Silver. Later, in our third adventure exploring the ruins of a Graz'zt-worshiping cabal of Siluvaneden demon-binders, we discovered Valandil had actually disappeared on a mission to the same ruins on behalf of the Harpers. He was looking for and found a relic of Labelas called The Song of Stillness, a spellbook containing a ritual that would open a portal between two planes that were out of temporal sync with each other. He was trying to find a way to contact or travel to Myth Adofhaer, which he might have accomplished as all evidence pointed to him completing the ritual and vanishing through the portal. So now Kethamil has also become a Harper Mage and he and his group are tasked with trying to duplicate the ritual and contact Myth Adofhaer in an attempt to convince them to return to fight the Daemonfey (who have become the major antagonists of our campaign. Our last adventure entailed freeing captive Gold Elves from a Daemonfey bolthole where a feyri sorcerer named Meth'rael was using an evil artifact to turn them into Daemonfey in a ritual involving the heart of a freshly killed angel). We hope to return to the quest for Myth Adofhaer (and to destroy Meth'rael and his evil artifact) after our current mission is over.
Copper Elven Vampire Posted - 15 Sep 2019 : 07:31:43
You can cast spells from the 7 Sisters if you want to be boring. You're based in Silverymoon you say? Spending 2 weeks alone in the famed library of Silverymoon will grant you at least four 3'rd level spells.

Go with any elven spells, as they are the most ancient and powerful. Most human spells are just abridged elven spells anyway. lol. I would seek out elven spells of trickery, Gnome spells of deception and Halfling spells of stealth.

Playing a Gold elf in Silverymoon can be terrific or terrible depending on who you are. Many gold elves tend to be xenophobic towards their own kind that do something out of the norm. You need a good House surname, and even then you're a weirdo in Gold elf terms if you stray from the norm. A Gold elf thief of Erevan Ilesere is a good example of not fitting in. lol.

For spells learned by a Gold elf arcane caster, I'd go with Evard's Black Tentacles, Bigbys Shadow Hand, Nym's Dark rain, Rend shadow weave, Abolish shadows, Displacement and a simple Ray spell. Any will do. Ray of Frost, Scorching Ray, Feeble Mind, or Arrow of shocking burst will do the trick.

For spells learned by a Gold elf divine caster, I'd go with Sehanines's spell mantle, Solonor's unerring arrows, Corellon's Fatal True Strike, Rillifane's improved Tree-stride, Erevan's minor displacement mantle, or some such elven spells that creates a calling card of sorts.

I believe you said that your PC is a gold elf in Silverymoon, so you are most likely a arcane caster of no less than 5'th level. What deity do you follow? Angharreth? Erevan Ilesere, Corellon? Shevaresh?

Spells created by the 7 sisters are not entirely useful in spell-battle if that's what you're going for. Stick with simple spells of either arcane or divine nature that deal damage to singular enemies. At early levels you need to cut the head off the snake so to say. At later levels you can actually have a conversation before battle.

It is your Gold elf.... do as you please. I suggest picking a deity... either if you're an Arcane caster, or a Divine caster. It helps to establish who you are in the Realms.

"Diddledack Tenthumbs" may be an epic Wizard, but if he has no background or history as a Gold elf he is just another slinger of 7 sister spells. quite boring and mundane. Now if "Diddledack Tenthumbs" was a follower of Solonor Thelandria, then you can cast spells that are specific to that elven god.

I'm just saying...
Cosmar Posted - 19 Aug 2019 : 21:25:21
You're probably right. Even in 3.5, if you count all the splatbooks, there are hundreds (if not thousands?) of spells. Even with the spells my wizard already knows it's tough on a daily basis deciding what to memorize. So I've had him scribing lots of scrolls for the spells that either don't rely on caster level or which he won't need to cast very often. (He bought a partially charged wand of Knock, for one.)

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