|T O P I C R E V I E W
||Posted - 01 Jun 2019 : 23:43:46
So our 3.5 group is about to go off on another mission, and we still have a couple days in town (Silverymoon to be specific) to prepare. We're going to be fighting a lot of fey and magical beasts (we're going to a demiplane housing an ancient Unseelie Fey Court, in which one tenday there equals a year on the prime).
I am a sun elf wizard5/harper mage 4. Our other members (all level 9) are: human swashbuckler/rogue, half-orc paladin of Ilmater, human fighter/occult slayer, human warmage (heading for exalted arcanist), and human Spirit Shaman (the player who manned our cleric had to bow out of the game).
My spells known are below. In this game, we houseruled that spellbook-using characters can learn/scribe new spells at the rate of 1 per day (and only during downtime). Given the nature of our quest, once we're inside this demiplane, we won't be able to leave again till we're finished. If you see any glaring omissions in this spellbook (like, "duh, WHY don't you know this spell") or even one or two that would be really helpful, please let me know! Everything we know so far points to this being a really hard mission.
(Allowed sources are VAST, very few sources are banned).
1: Mage Armor, Shield, Snilloc's Snowball, Magic Missile, Identify, Wall of Smoke, Ray of Enfeeblement, Silent Image, Enlarge Person, Expeditious Retreat, Benign Transposition, Targeting Ray, Blood Wind, Backbiter, Nerveskitter, Magecraft, Alarm, Swift Expeditious Retreat, Spontaneous Search, Scholar's Touch
2: Mirror Image, Invisibility, Rope Trick, Scorching Ray, Glitterdust, Shatter, Fog Cloud, Frost Breath, Baleful Transposition, Daze Monster, Levitate, Resist Energy, Alter Self, Dark Way, Quick Potion, Unseen Crafter, Insight of Good Fortune, Detect Thoughts, Listening Lorecall, Spymaster's Coin, Knock, See Invisibility
3: Haste, Scintillating Sphere, Great Thunderclap, Dispel Magic, Arcane Sight, Clairaudience/Clairvoyance, Shivering Touch, Summon Monster III, Unluck, Greater Magic Weapon, Anticipate Teleportation, Fly
4: Greater Invisibility, Solid Fog, Defenestrating Sphere, Scrying, Resilient Sphere, Orb of Electricity, Metal Melt, Celerity
5: Teleport, Telepathic Bond, Telekinesis, Miasma of Entropy, Swift Etherealness, Sending.
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|Copper Elven Vampire
||Posted - 15 Sep 2019 : 07:31:43
You can cast spells from the 7 Sisters if you want to be boring. You're based in Silverymoon you say? Spending 2 weeks alone in the famed library of Silverymoon will grant you at least four 3'rd level spells.
Go with any elven spells, as they are the most ancient and powerful. Most human spells are just abridged elven spells anyway. lol. I would seek out elven spells of trickery, Gnome spells of deception and Halfling spells of stealth.
Playing a Gold elf in Silverymoon can be terrific or terrible depending on who you are. Many gold elves tend to be xenophobic towards their own kind that do something out of the norm. You need a good House surname, and even then you're a weirdo in Gold elf terms if you stray from the norm. A Gold elf thief of Erevan Ilesere is a good example of not fitting in. lol.
For spells learned by a Gold elf arcane caster, I'd go with Evard's Black Tentacles, Bigbys Shadow Hand, Nym's Dark rain, Rend shadow weave, Abolish shadows, Displacement and a simple Ray spell. Any will do. Ray of Frost, Scorching Ray, Feeble Mind, or Arrow of shocking burst will do the trick.
For spells learned by a Gold elf divine caster, I'd go with Sehanines's spell mantle, Solonor's unerring arrows, Corellon's Fatal True Strike, Rillifane's improved Tree-stride, Erevan's minor displacement mantle, or some such elven spells that creates a calling card of sorts.
I believe you said that your PC is a gold elf in Silverymoon, so you are most likely a arcane caster of no less than 5'th level. What deity do you follow? Angharreth? Erevan Ilesere, Corellon? Shevaresh?
Spells created by the 7 sisters are not entirely useful in spell-battle if that's what you're going for. Stick with simple spells of either arcane or divine nature that deal damage to singular enemies. At early levels you need to cut the head off the snake so to say. At later levels you can actually have a conversation before battle.
It is your Gold elf.... do as you please. I suggest picking a deity... either if you're an Arcane caster, or a Divine caster. It helps to establish who you are in the Realms.
"Diddledack Tenthumbs" may be an epic Wizard, but if he has no background or history as a Gold elf he is just another slinger of 7 sister spells. quite boring and mundane. Now if "Diddledack Tenthumbs" was a follower of Solonor Thelandria, then you can cast spells that are specific to that elven god.
I'm just saying...
||Posted - 19 Aug 2019 : 21:25:21
You're probably right. Even in 3.5, if you count all the splatbooks, there are hundreds (if not thousands?) of spells. Even with the spells my wizard already knows it's tough on a daily basis deciding what to memorize. So I've had him scribing lots of scrolls for the spells that either don't rely on caster level or which he won't need to cast very often. (He bought a partially charged wand of Knock, for one.)
||Posted - 22 Jun 2019 : 03:05:35
Originally posted by Cosmar
It looks like a few others were converted (Manyjaws, Maw of Chaos, Ghostharp, Howling Chain, Lightning Ring, a few others...) but some of the most interesting ones were not. Perhaps because they were deemed too powerful for their level in 3.X.
I personally think that it was just a matter of there being so many spells that the designers just didn't bother. One of my favorite magical items in 2E was the wand of misplaced objects -- which did exactly what its name implies: you kept all your stuff, but now it was all randomly scattered about your person. One shoe might be on your hand, while the other was suddenly buried deep in your pack, and so on. This is more of an inconvenience than anything else, but so far as I know, this item has not been seen since 2E.
||Posted - 21 Jun 2019 : 20:30:14
I picked up the book and...wow, a lot of those spells are doozies and/or really, really strange.
It looks like a few others were converted (Manyjaws, Maw of Chaos, Ghostharp, Howling Chain, Lightning Ring, a few others...) but some of the most interesting ones were not. Perhaps because they were deemed too powerful for their level in 3.X. The spells at each level vary widely in power with some being seemingly useless and a few gems that seem to be extremely potent.
a few I see in there that could be really cool are Spell Thrust, Acid Lash, Blackthorns, Wardaway, Cloak of Adeamozs, Wylunde's Ward, Blood Lightning, Galather's Gnostic Chain, Laeral's Aqueous Column, Rainbow Shield, Laeral's Disrobement, Melisander's Harp, Mooncloak, Brightsong, Obold's Brightness, Spell Mirror, Alustriel's (Improved) Mantle, Basilisk Glare, Sylune's Streaking Meteor, Net of Stars, Algarth's Embattlement, Spellstorm....
Since they're all 2E they'd need significant changes to work in 3.5, though I think I could convince my DM to let my wizard research his own versions of some of these. If I could convince him to let me make Spell Thrust and Wardaway immediate action spells (which seems like it'd be in line with the spirit of their 2E versions) that would be ideal. I think Acid Lash, Cloak of Adeamozs, Gnostic Chain, Aqueous Column and Rainbow Shield are all pretty unique spells that are pretty balanced...and Spell Mirror, Laeral's Disrobement and Spellstorm would be situational but extremely fun in those situations.
Melisander's Harp, Mooncloak and Brightsong I think might be too good...Melisander's Harp slows everyone, gives them feather fall and possibly makes them fall asleep in quite a generous area...and Brightsong! Wow! Area-effect Free Action, negates various confining/entrapping magic, allows extra saves against enchantments...goodness. And Mooncloak, which might be my favorite. Emanation that gives light and offers those inside protection from cold, paralysis and level drain, and once a round caster can sacrifice a prepared spell to give someone in the field temporary HP. This might be allowed since it has a costly material component. We'll see what my DM thinks! I think the moon spells and Melisander's Harp would complement my mage nicely, since they have a very "elven" feel. And if I could get Spell Thrust as an immediate action, that would be fantastic.
||Posted - 21 Jun 2019 : 13:51:58
They are on the lists, to give the idea, e.g. this. Search shows Silver Marches got... only Alustriel's Banner converted?
||Posted - 20 Jun 2019 : 19:31:03
Originally posted by Cosmar
Thanks for these ideas!
I'm not sure what spells of the Seven Sisters you mean.
He's referring to the 2E sourcebook, The Seven Sisters.
DriveThruRPG has the pdf for sale.
||Posted - 20 Jun 2019 : 17:39:33
Thanks for these ideas!
I'm not sure what spells of the Seven Sisters you mean. Or do you just mean in general using them as a resource for spells? He is a native of Silverymoon, and our party's recent actions have put us in very good standing with the leaders of Silverymoon and Everlund (we thwarted an attempt by a Cyricist necromancer to take over the city using Necromantic cysts to mind-control the council. A third of the city burned down in the final battle and the high priestess of Corellon almost died, but we killed the necromancer and proved two of the councilors were in on the plot and they got banished, so yay. But we lost our cleric at the time, a Doomguide of Kelemvor who ironically got captured by the necromancer and turned undead. We had to kill him :( ) We got help on our current mission from Taern Hornblade himself.
The place we're going is an original creation I think, called the Vale Beyond the Veil. Entrance is a fey crossroads somewhere in the Silverwood on the border of the Trollmoors. We're going there to find something called Rain of Embers, that the Demonfey are looking for too. After a month of research in the Vault of Sages, my wizard learned that it is a powerful divine spell/ritual that was used several times in the Seven Citadels War to utterly annihilate everything on a battlefield. We also know Earlann sent their "greatest champion" (unnamed, but who presumably has or has knowledge of Rain of Embers) into the Vale to try to prevent an alliance between the fey court and House Dlardrageth. He never returned, but whatever he did apparently worked. So we presume if we find him or what happened to him we can find Rain of Embers.
I am definitely going to pick up Break Enchantment, mostly now because our moon elf cleric of Vandria Gilmadrith left the game (the player didn't have time for the game anymore). Our replacement divine caster is a female Rashemi Spirit Shaman, who will be invaluable against the fey, but now my wizard is kind of the catch-all spellcaster.
(Also, re: creatures with scent, I crafted a few doses of Scentbreaker alchemical item that should help with that.)
I'm purposefully trying not to load up on too many straight-up blast spells, since our warmage PC has the energy blasting down, and since I'm the only prepared caster now I'm kind of expected to be Batman. I am thinking of picking up Vitriolic Sphere and Manyjaws, but other than that I think I'll be fine. Also I forgot to mention I have a Runestaff of Fire we looted from an elven ruin. It lets me swap out prepared spells to cast Burning Hands, Fireball and Wall of Fire up to 3/day at my caster level. I also have the Spontaneous Divination alternate class feature, which has been absolutely a lifesaver (spontaneous Unluck, Insight of Good Fortune, Arcane Sight when I need them? Yes please!)
I didn't even think of Protection from Arrows, but that would be really helpful particularly against Pixies and their sleep/memory loss arrows.
And yes, I'm very happy I chose Dispel Magic a long time ago. To be honest, I think that has been my single most-used spell. This campaign has become Demonfey-centric and we've had to explore ruins that have had a LOT of various magical wards. So many Dispel Magic attempts. And now that I'm the only caster capable of casting a lot of these useful abjurations, I think I ought to pick up Dimensional Anchor, and I have a scroll of Dismissal I can learn that from. We've been fighting a LOT of demons and spellcasters lately who have escaped from us via teleportation or etherealness and it's really getting on my nerves. Three of our group's biggest (still-living) enemies are an sun elf half fiend cleric, a fey'ri sorcerer and a human witch who all escaped us using teleportation. UGH.
Black Tentacles could be a good choice! To be honest, I'm not sure why I haven't picked it yet. And since I have the Sculpt Spell feat, I could do some pretty cool things with that spell.
Regarding Arcane Eye, I've been debating getting that or Prying Eyes. But I think I maybe should just get Arcane Eye. Prying Eyes might be marginally more useful but I maybe I should save those precious 5th-level slots for spells like Telekinesis, Swift Etherealness and Telepathic Bond (I scribed 2 scrolls of Teleport to free up those slots).
Oh, and about Scrying, my DM allowed me to get a Scrying Shard (I think it's from an Eberron sourcebook?). Basically it's a handheld crystal that replaces the mirror as the focus. Honestly though, Scrying hasn't been super helpful so far since almost every time it would have been really helpful the target was either on another plane or protected from divinations somehow. >:
||Posted - 20 Jun 2019 : 06:55:16
Oh, no Evard's Black Tentacles? That was always popular choice.
Also, I always felt the Summon spells were pretty crappy the later they got. I mean you have to cast for a full-round before your critter gets out and unless you invested a lot of Feat support they usually die really easily and often can't affect the monsters you do fight.
||Posted - 19 Jun 2019 : 13:06:39
Protection from Arrows. And some sort of protection from creatures tracking by scent.
Also, Lightning Bolt (good both for corridors and enfilade fire). And because of trolls any mage trained at Moorlands is likely to know some fire spells (maybe Wall of Fire?), which is a good idea either way.
quote: Where?.. Wait for Contingency, then Contingency + Gentle Repose (for the entire party).
Originally posted by Cosmar
We're going to be fighting a lot of fey and magical beasts (we're going to a demiplane housing an ancient Unseelie Fey Court,
quote: If the character is local (and it seems so), yes. As a harper, would deal with harpers who respond directly to her for a long while, and learn something.
Originally posted by The Masked Mage
in silverymoon start with spells from the Seven Sisters...
||Posted - 16 Jun 2019 : 14:06:28
I would also recommend arcane eye as a supplement to scrying. Does the DM insist on your character carrying around that big mirror as the focus? That is a big minus for the scrying spell.
||Posted - 16 Jun 2019 : 14:03:51
I recommend remove curse and break enchantment. Evil fey and curses go hand in hand. I'm glad you have dispel magic.
|The Masked Mage
||Posted - 08 Jun 2019 : 10:02:54
in silverymoon start with spells from the Seven Sisters...
some are very interesting and unique.