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VikingLegion Posted - 24 May 2015 : 07:34:09
Greetings fellow Realms enthusiasts,

Several years ago I made a goal to read *every* novel from the major D&D worlds/settings. After blasting through the smaller libraries of Darksun, Ravenloft, and Planescape, I decided to tackle Dragonlance. Just recently I finished my 166th and final Dragonlance book. And now I have my sights set on the Forgotten Realms, a no-doubt Herculean task that will make DL easy by comparison.

As I finish each book I plan make a post in this thread. Some may be quite lengthy, others only a sentence or three, all depending on how deeply the story resonated with me and/or its greater importance in Realms lore. This is not a "book club" attempt, in that I won't be holding to any set schedule or waiting for others to finish a particular book. My pace is roughly one 300 page book per week, though occasionally I go on a torrid streak and can sometimes double that. So I won't limit my reading so others can read along with. That being said, I heartily encourage fellow Candlekeepers to jump right in with their own commentary. This can be a fun, nostalgic for some, trip through the history of the novel line. My only rules are thus:

1. I will make no attempt to hide spoilers for books as I finish them, so reader beware. This shouldn't pose much of a problem, as the material (in the early going specifically) is close to 30 years old.
2. Please, please, please, when discussing a book I've read, do NOT divulge spoilers that may occur further down the line as a result of said book.
3. Keep it civil. There are some author's writing styles that turn me off a bit, and I won't be shy about saying so, but it will be done in a manner that isn't toxic bashing.

My order of reading is going to loosely follow publishing date. I say loosely, because I will (early and often) deviate from this order when it makes sense, such as finishing up a series, or staying within a certain theme/region/etc. With that said, I began this endeavor with 1987's Darkwalker on Moonshae.
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VikingLegion Posted - 19 Nov 2019 : 21:24:22
I finished The Reaver. I can't say I cared for it much, at least early on. I tend to dislike books where the main characters are scum. In Byers' Brotherhood of the Griffon quintet the main group were mercenaries - who by definition are killers for money - but they had some dim spark of honor or scruples in their own way. Now Byers has gone even farther along the evil spectrum and casted a bloodthirsty, completely immoral pirate as the main character. Accompanying him is a self-serving Red Wizardess, and lastly a boy Chosen of Lathander (it's a weird group that got thrown together by fate). Several of the early alliances really strained credulity - you just had to /handwave a bit and let it happen.

The young boy, Stedd, seems to exude goodness and innocence - so much so that the pirate and Red Wizard start behaving in ways that seemed very out of character. It was hard to tell how much of this was him simply growing on them (unlikely, WAY too much of an alignment change) or if he was sending out a supernatural aura that was slowly and subtly shifting them along towards some semblance of goodness. I don't know... I'm all for a good redemption arc, but when it's forced like that simply by being in the presence of a Chosen and not because it's what the characters would've chosen for themselves, it seems so much less authentic.

Priests were able to cure spellplague effects in this one, I'm not sure I've seen that allowed anywhere else? Did Byers go off the reservation on that one?

There was a cool region called Gulthandor with a Narnia-like talking godking lion. I'd look into the area further but I don't know if it's all going to go away post-Sundering.

The ritual towards the end wherein the Emerald Enclave link the power of Silvanus to that of a newly risen Lathander (see what I did there?) in order to combat the nigh-eternal storms of Umberlee was really cool. All the various sylvan creatures of the area showed up to link their own power to the ritual, and the way Byers wrote it was so awesome to visualize. Easily my favorite aspect of this book.

Overall it was ok, some hits, some misses, but generally the weakest of the Sundering series thus far. Up next is Troy Denning's The Sentinel.
Seravin Posted - 17 Nov 2019 : 10:05:52
I really like Erin in interviews and I see the appeal of her books but for some reason I couldn't force myself to finish the 2nd book in the Brimstone Angels saga...I guess I need to power through and try again because people I trust have raved about them and I'm sure I'll enjoy them in the end.

Sorry for the de-rails Viking, the community needs a place to vent the death of the FR novels I suppose!
VikingLegion Posted - 16 Nov 2019 : 12:38:04
Not to derail or anything, everyone feel free to continue the wonderful conversation going on in the last page. But in the meantime I've finished The Adversary.

I've said it before and I'll say it again - Erin Evans is one of the best character builders around (with a nod to Elaine, the ultimate in that respect). I swear, if I didn't know better I'd say she was tricking me into reading (and enjoying!) a cheesy teen romance novel - like some kind of guilty pleasure I don't want to admit to. Her depiction of the sisters is so spot on, I feel like I've known them for years. Their fears and insecurities are so well-developed. Lorcan's ability to prey upon and manipulate them is scary good - to the point where I hope Erin never notices me and decides to psychologically destroy me. Seriously, I often think about that when I read things like Game of Thrones, or watch a movie like Silence of the Lambs. For the author to be able to conceive of such darkness and deviousness, do they have to have a little bit of it in them? Erin, if you ever read this, I'M JUST KIDDING, PLEASE DO NOT CONDEMN MY SOUL TO THE NINE HELLS.

Speaking of, her depiction of the Hells, all the fiendish plotting, back door deals, and overall hierarchy is amazing. It's funny, the actual story itself - a concentration camp filled with Chosen being harvested in some Shar plotline (you know, that Sundering thing) takes a backseat, at least in my mind, to the development of the tiefling sisters, Farideh's relationship with Lorcan, and the Hellish machinations.

Very good book, I can't wait to see the next step in this story. But up next is book 3 of the Sundering: The Reaver.
VikingLegion Posted - 16 Nov 2019 : 12:26:36
quote:
Originally posted by Renin

VikingLegion,

Iíve spent the better part of a week in the evening hours before bed just reading through your thread here. First, great nostalgia. Yes, I too am from the fan generation of when these books were there for me in my tween and teen years. The Azure Bonds trilogy, Moonshae trilogy (with the next becoming published!), 6 Drizzít books, and of course, Elfshadow! My favorite! (but I love all things Elven, and Elven lore). Oh yeah, Spellfire too.

Second, ...you read a lot of crap books as well! LOL. I could not, nor will I, ever read many, or any, of the ho-hum Classes books, but its fun to read that there are some gems in there.

This thread, and even conversation, just makes me wistful of a history that I donít believe will be repeated. I donít believe the novels line will ever return. Hasbroís plans for how D&D supplements roll out is firmly established, and it doesnít need to do any more than it does.

Also...not that Iím burying any of them!-but I was maudlin in thinking along these lines very recently, of the fact that no one is getting any younger. Iím heartened to hear that Ed has been doing well in recovering from some kind of heart surgery. Iím not calling the rest of the writers or game designers ancient or anything! But the zenith of their work on the Realms, the published Realms, is passed. I donít truly know who the people are that are working on the current stuff, and considering what has happened in their publishing the last 10 years, I donít feel inclined to trust it (and yes, this is based on feelings and emotional responses-I have no problem being called out and being told Iím objectively wrong, should that be the case.)

I just feel...I guess I just feel sad that I consider a huge part of my childhood to growing adult years is gone. But I love the walk down memory lane with this thread.

Thanks.





Thanks for the comments, that's exactly the purpose of this thread. Just a few days ago I was at a Barnes and Noble looking for a book for my wife. I went over to the Sci-Fi/Fantasy section just to peek around. The entire "D&D" section consisted of one shelf with maybe 10 or so RAS books, 1 Greenwood, and one lonely Dragonlance book that probably has no earthly business hanging out there but has been forgotten for the last 15 years.

It made me sigh. I recall entire multi-shelved sections devoted to my worlds of TSR - Ravenloft, Darksun, Dragonlance, Planescape, Greyhawk/Mystara/generic, and of course a massive amount of Forgotten Realms material. Now, like you said, a LOT of these books are dreck. There was certainly a tendency towards bloat during the golden years. But there are also so many terrific gems among those worlds, so many years I spent in absolute wonder and awe contemplating the stories, the locations, the events, happening on these various planets/settings. How would a young version of me in 2019 get exposed to these lands? Back in the late 80s or early 90s I picked up Darkwalker on Moonshae and Dragons of Autumn Twilight - the first of the Dragonlance Chronicles books by Weis and Hickman - off the shelf of one of my teachers during a study hall period. I was just bored I guess, no homework to do (or that I felt like doing) and I thought the covers looked cool. Those books changed my life. I get all wistful thinking about them and I want there to be a way to expose the next generation of kids to them, so they don't fade away into utter obscurity.

Ok, sorry for the rambling. I've been away from this site for about a week and was surprised (and very pleased) by how many new posts were made.
Irennan Posted - 16 Nov 2019 : 00:25:00
quote:
Originally posted by Kellemonster

Drow are supremacist racists living in a hostile underdark whose own cultural understanding of themselves is always in opposition to their surface cousins. The idea that they would say "that's what drow do " seems reasonable to me. Add on top of it the psychology element of needing to say this to themselves to convince themselves that this insane Loth created society is "normal" or "right" so that they are always saying this to themselves and I actually like it.



Disagree on the first point. Characters thinking of themselves or their people in terms of their race is a thing commonly seen in fantasy, but it's just innatural when you put it into perspective. I really doubt that drow perceive themselves in opposition to surface race (as in defining themselves in opposition to those races, because that's the only case that could justify a "it's what humans would do" kind of expression, and because drow--or even humans--are far too proud for that). Sure, most of them are *told* about those races, but very few experience it first-hand, and none of them grow in opposition to those races. I'd think that in order to go as far as defining yourself in opposition to a certain people, you'd have to experience hostility with them for a long and defining period of your life.

For example, a soldier saying "It's what a [X-nationality] soldier would do" would be reasonable in a long war against a faction that regularly commits atrocities. After all, he's a soldier like those in his opposing army, so is he a monster too? No, because [X-nationality] soldiers don't act like their enemies. He sees his sense of self, tied to his profession of killing for his nation, compromised by the similarities that he has with amoral soldiers, and defines himself in opposition to them (because he's interacted with them a lot, and they left scars) to resolve his crisis. In this case is a statement of identity, which *the character* would want to make becuase his perception of his identity was compromised.

Even racism/supremacism wouldn't lead people to perceive themselves, or those like themselves in terms of their race, because their race is "normality", and the rest is not. So, their people would simply be people, not "X race", while the rest would be "X race".

It just sounds like the author entering the book and telling you "See, it's not just this character that acts like this, it's what this race does" which is redundant.

Agree on the second point (in fact, I made that exception myself), but it needs to be supported by other examples of doubt or self-convincing, by actually playing out that uncertainity. Otherwise, it's just saying. However, in the book, the main cast don't seem to have particular doubts about the Lolthite way of living. They just follow it without thinking too much about it, IIRC. If there's meaninful doubt, then I'll change my mind, but I can't recall any in Dissolution (or even Insurrection).
Ryld and Halisstra change a bit later on in the series (at which point the expression entirely disappears), but after that it's all back to the beginning.

All in all, however, this is just a pet peeve. It's when things like this start to pile up that they become problems.
Wooly Rupert Posted - 16 Nov 2019 : 00:11:10
quote:
Originally posted by Kellemonster

Drow are supremacist racists living in a hostile underdark whose own cultural understanding of themselves is always in opposition to their surface cousins. The idea that they would say "that's what drow do " seems reasonable to me. Add on top of it the psychology element of needing to say this to themselves to convince themselves that this insane Loth created society is "normal" or "right" so that they are always saying this to themselves and I actually like it.



I can see the argument against the specific phrase, myself... People wouldn't refer to themselves by race, like that. It would be more likely that they'd say something like "it's what our people have done for generations" or "it's Lolth's way" or even "anyone else would do the same" instead of "it's what a drow would do."

By the same token, I wouldn't expect an elf to say "it's what an elf would do" or anything like that.
Kellemonster Posted - 15 Nov 2019 : 23:54:51
Drow are supremacist racists living in a hostile underdark whose own cultural understanding of themselves is always in opposition to their surface cousins. The idea that they would say "that's what drow do " seems reasonable to me. Add on top of it the psychology element of needing to say this to themselves to convince themselves that this insane Loth created society is "normal" or "right" so that they are always saying this to themselves and I actually like it.
Renin Posted - 14 Nov 2019 : 20:46:23
VikingLegion,

Iíve spent the better part of a week in the evening hours before bed just reading through your thread here. First, great nostalgia. Yes, I too am from the fan generation of when these books were there for me in my tween and teen years. The Azure Bonds trilogy, Moonshae trilogy (with the next becoming published!), 6 Drizzít books, and of course, Elfshadow! My favorite! (but I love all things Elven, and Elven lore). Oh yeah, Spellfire too.

Second, ...you read a lot of crap books as well! LOL. I could not, nor will I, ever read many, or any, of the ho-hum Classes books, but its fun to read that there are some gems in there.

This thread, and even conversation, just makes me wistful of a history that I donít believe will be repeated. I donít believe the novels line will ever return. Hasbroís plans for how D&D supplements roll out is firmly established, and it doesnít need to do any more than it does.

Also...not that Iím burying any of them!-but I was maudlin in thinking along these lines very recently, of the fact that no one is getting any younger. Iím heartened to hear that Ed has been doing well in recovering from some kind of heart surgery. Iím not calling the rest of the writers or game designers ancient or anything! But the zenith of their work on the Realms, the published Realms, is passed. I donít truly know who the people are that are working on the current stuff, and considering what has happened in their publishing the last 10 years, I donít feel inclined to trust it (and yes, this is based on feelings and emotional responses-I have no problem being called out and being told Iím objectively wrong, should that be the case.)

I just feel...I guess I just feel sad that I consider a huge part of my childhood to growing adult years is gone. But I love the walk down memory lane with this thread.

Thanks.

Madpig Posted - 14 Nov 2019 : 09:43:23
Atleast for me the most annoying thing in that series was inconsistancy of characters between the books. Some of the books were good (Kemp stands out, as usual), but others were abysmal(pun intended).
Irennan Posted - 13 Nov 2019 : 17:01:19
quote:
Originally posted by Kellemonster

Put aside the illogic of the larger plot. What didn't you like about dissolution? I thought it captured the nature of a drow city and the implications of the existence of powerful magic and a crazed evil goddess would have on a society very well.



I don't have much against Dissolution. Just some bits in which the characters think stuff like "it's what a drow would do". That immediately breaks immersion, because it'd be like a human thinking "yeah, that's what a human would do", which in't good writing. Unless you want to convey the feeling of someone trying to convince themselves that there's no other way. Even then 1)that specific way of conveying this is rather strange 2)the characters in WotSQ aren't trying to convince themselves (which would imply doubting their lifestyle), they actively embrace the Lolthite way of living--even Ryld who's less of a backstabber than the others.

That said, the society itself doesn't make sense as is, worbuidling wise, but that's another topic, as the authors had no say on that.
Wooly Rupert Posted - 13 Nov 2019 : 15:18:30
quote:
Originally posted by Kellemonster

Put aside the illogic of the larger plot. What didn't you like about dissolution? I thought it captured the nature of a drow city and the implications of the existence of powerful magic and a crazed evil goddess would have on a society very well.



I've only read the books once, and I don't recall much memorable about any of them -- so I can't narrow my complaints down to just one book.

But I can't put aside the illogic of the larger plot. All the books are part of the larger plot, so that illogic applies to all of them.

And across all the books, the characters were mostly unlikable and Chaotic Stupid. Sure, I get that the drow like chaos and that they're a bunch of backstabbing gits -- but this was a small group, given a specific mission by their superiors, and they were still barely capable of working together. For a race that's supposed to be very intelligent, they consistently fail to demonstrate that on anything aside from an individual basis, and not always even then.

One other thing that bugged me, though: the game of Sava. Okay, chess with a chaotic element involved. That works -- until you realize that the chaotic element is the option to throw a turn, just one time, for a 1 in 36 chance of a beneficial outcome. That's only worth taking a chance if you know you're going to lose. I'd think, if there was really supposed to be a chaotic element, that the die rolls would happen more frequently, and with a wider range of results.
Kellemonster Posted - 13 Nov 2019 : 05:46:38
Put aside the illogic of the larger plot. What didn't you like about dissolution? I thought it captured the nature of a drow city and the implications of the existence of powerful magic and a crazed evil goddess would have on a society very well.
Irennan Posted - 12 Nov 2019 : 21:25:59
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

I really didn't understand what the main characters were expected to accomplish, either. "Oh, hey, our goddess, who lives in another plane of existence, is not talking to us, and there is no possible way for a city full of priestesses and wizards to get information! So you guys walk to the next city and see why Lolth has fallen silent."



If I'm not mistaken (and I may very well be, long time since I've read any FR novel), there was an angle about the thing being just an excuse for Gromph and Triel to get potential rivals away from them, and potentially killed. But yeah, I see your point.
Wooly Rupert Posted - 12 Nov 2019 : 21:17:41
I really didn't understand what the main characters were expected to accomplish, either. "Oh, hey, our goddess, who lives in another plane of existence, is not talking to us, and there is no possible way for a city full of priestesses and wizards to get information! So you guys walk to the next city and see why Lolth has fallen silent."
Irennan Posted - 12 Nov 2019 : 20:24:09
quote:
Originally posted by sleyvas

What I found "interesting" was that she essentially created a new divine realm created to realmspace and discarded her links to the abyss, and then as far as I can tell she's back to being a "demon lord" without any explanations at all. The continuity on THAT was all over the place. Also, she was split into multiple identities, yet they're all one again. I don't even think we ever found out anything really about all of the "identities" within her. The one thing that this could be used for though is that whenever Lolth does something literally insane to people looking at plot... you can explain it away as her multiple personalities at war with each other to try and drive their individual goals forward. Lolth is essentially suffering from dissociative identity disorder (which totally fits her role as a goddess of chaos).



The continuity in WotSQ is all over the place too. You have Lolth's plan, and therefore the cause of the whole plot, making absolutely no sense and contradicting everything we know about the way divinity works in FR (not to mention being nonsensical from a logical standpoint too). On a side note, I don't understand why Lolth tearing her realm free from the Abyss is relevant. Nothing substantial changed, except a label. The conflicting identities thing could have been intriguing but, as usual, intriguing plot lines about drow get discarded in favor of keeping them about Lolth, Drizzt and nothing but more of the same.

Smedman/Athans also give a completely warped portrayal of Eilistraee&followers, in direct contradiction with her lore and with Elaine's portrayal of her, as already discussed in this thread (though, to be fair, Baker's portrayal of them in Condemnation, if very limited, doesn't suffer from this)
sleyvas Posted - 12 Nov 2019 : 19:43:33
What I found "interesting" was that she essentially created a new divine realm created to realmspace and discarded her links to the abyss, and then as far as I can tell she's back to being a "demon lord" without any explanations at all. The continuity on THAT was all over the place. Also, she was split into multiple identities, yet they're all one again. I don't even think we ever found out anything really about all of the "identities" within her. The one thing that this could be used for though is that whenever Lolth does something literally insane to people looking at plot... you can explain it away as her multiple personalities at war with each other to try and drive their individual goals forward. Lolth is essentially suffering from dissociative identity disorder (which totally fits her role as a goddess of chaos).
Wooly Rupert Posted - 12 Nov 2019 : 18:45:49
quote:
Originally posted by Kellemonster

Even the first book of wotsq didn't do it for you? I'll admit it keeps going down hill from there (Kemp tries to salvage what was left)



For me, the series approached being interesting about halfway through the fourth or fifth book... but quickly backed down from that high point.

Aside from Aliisza and Pharaun, I really didn't like any of the characters, and I thought that as a group, they did a remarkable job of demonstrating the Chaotic Stupid alignment. I found their entire quest to be pointless, what Lolth was doing utterly non-sensical (Seriously, becoming more powerful by ignoring your worshippers and engaging in auto-cannibalism?), and the shifting characterizations from book to book -- especially that of the draegloth, who went from servile to sneering rebelliousness just like that -- to be very jarring. Danifae went from potentially interesting to one of the worst possible characters. The battle with Gromph and that other drow took far, far too long (and the thing with the eyes was just weird), kind of like a joke where the teller keeps repeating the punchline long after all the laughter has faded.

I think some proper editing could have smoothed out some of those rough edges, but the series did not get that editing...

And I think the entire point of the series wasn't to tell a story or to add to the setting or anything like that -- I think it was purely about putting more money in WotC's pockets. Yes, that's always an objective, but prior novels were adding something to the setting *and* making money for the company. Considering that this was a six-book non-event, I think the only objective was "hey, let's sell some more stuff by slapping drow on it!" And I think that's why the series suffered -- because all WotC cared about was the income, and not about doing it right.
Kellemonster Posted - 12 Nov 2019 : 17:44:04
Even the first book of wotsq didn't do it for you? I'll admit it keeps going down hill from there (Kemp tries to salvage what was left)
Wooly Rupert Posted - 12 Nov 2019 : 05:00:00
I always cringe when I see praise for the War of the Spider Queen books... Ye gods, I could not stand that series.

My issue with Ed's fiction hasn't been any of the other stuff people are mentioning. For me, it's just that I feel I've walked in on the middle of a movie. I get that the Realms is a vibrant place with a lot going on, but for me, showing this in a series of one-off vignettes that are unrelated to the main plot just pulls focus away from the main plot. And it's the same when the protagonist casually stumbles across multiple trysts/conspiring groups/random battles in the span of minutes.

I'd rather see a couple of subplots that get discovered during the course of the main plot and then developed further, rather than the brief flashes of unrelated events all happening simultaneously and in close proximity to each other.
Kellemonster Posted - 11 Nov 2019 : 22:42:05
It was always hard for me to get a real feel for the realms from the novels. We had the Troy "Death Star" Denning superhero realms, the Greenwood "magic in the realms is 5-15x more complicated with mantles, reshaping spells, etc. than they will let me put in a sourcebook but still everyone is flawed and shortsighted" realms, the RA Salvatore "wizards barely exist" realms, and the Byers "let's make the realms a less tongue in cheek order of the stick." (yes, with, in my mind, Kemp being the perfect blend of all of this).

I get that there are different authorial styles that go into all of this, but I think the problem goes beyond that. At the core, I have a hard time putting these different narratives into a shared world with a shared "(meta)physics".

If I had to pick a non-Kemp book that would exemplify what would be "core" realms, for the pre-3.x, it would be Cormyr (I agree with OP that Cormyr's dual authorship leads to the sum being more than its parts) or Dissolution. As different as the "power level" and tone of these books is from the other, I can see them both as being within the same universe. Dissolution also provides as great narrative reason why it's about such powerful people (crack team of elite drow dealing with an epic level quest).
Seravin Posted - 11 Nov 2019 : 21:43:40
Volo's Guides are the best content ever, in my opinion, and I would buy anything he published like that at a great cost (Volo's Guide to the Moonsea please!) - but his novels are an acquired taste.

I was SOOOOOO excited about the Knights of Myth Drannor series - 1348 era story of how the Knights met and became a force - but the execution of that amazing premise was so hard to read and made no sense (well documented in this thread my thoughts!). Ed's an amazing world builder obviously and his sourcebooks are my faves (along with Jeff Grubb). But his novels are best used as lore information.

sleyvas Posted - 11 Nov 2019 : 20:54:39
You know, I wonder though how much of a lot of these products is Ed versus other authors and he helps. For instance, I never realized that Serpent Kingdoms was an Ed product (I have a bad habit of not paying attention to who authored what game product, except that I tend to notice Eric Boyd's or Steven Schend's stuff as being theirs for some reason, and I've noted Krash whenever its anything Impilture). Hell, I wonder if in the end if the authors themselves can separate out who wrote what.
Kellemonster Posted - 11 Nov 2019 : 18:49:11
And that's the thing, right? My favorite source book ever is serpent kingdoms, an Ed Greenwood masterpiece. So much lore, that pulls together so many deep questions about this world.

It's funny, my mad mage group includes some other 30-somethings, some of whom know 5e very well, others completely new, and one guy, around 50, who has played tons of dnd, but never got into the realms. I start sharing 3.x lore (which is what I cut my teeth on in high school) and all of them are eating it up saying "give me more!"

It really bugs me that 5th edition hides all the lore within adventures okay I am the DM for two different groups right now so it's unlikely I'm going to have time to play much in the near future. But I should not have to ruin The narrative of a potential adventure to learn about the 5th edition realms.

So much I think is just assumed that the only people that really care about the realms will just continue to play either old grey box 3.x.

It is as if wizards of the coast are afraid to publish any more novels or they just did the math and it wasn't profitable. Either way it's sad to see something that you've loved and grown up with on life support.

I have always had a hard time with getting into any Forgotten Realms books pre-Cormyr. When I was say, 12, I could get into the Elminster series, and the Avatar trilogy, but ugh, re-reading those now? Barf. Looking back, it was only their value as potential sources of information, not value as works of literature that mattered to me.

Sorry to highjack this thread, feel free to delete if you want, I mostly needed to get this out of my system and confront my own conflicted feelings about the realms.

It is such a good setting overall. But with a lot of flaws when you scratch the surface.
Wooly Rupert Posted - 11 Nov 2019 : 14:53:02
quote:
Originally posted by Kellemonster

I've been a candlekeep forums lurker 4 about 15 years or more since maybe my sophomore year of college. I cannot agree more with the author of this thread. What I find surprising is that this thread has been able to exist on this forum with the opinion given about Ed Greenwood's novel writing which I agree is pretty bad especially the juvenile sex parts and the Mary Sues.


We tolerate dissenting opinions, so long as people are respectful.

I myself have said, multiple times, that while I am in awe of Ed as a world-builder, his fiction just doesn't work for me.
Seravin Posted - 11 Nov 2019 : 08:41:59
Much as I agree with you Kellemonster; I don't want the Realms to be dead - but at this point the best we can hope is that the Forgotten Realms IP gets sold by WotC and a hard reboot to the OGB era happens on the launch from the new company, in my opinion.

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