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| Dargoth |
Posted - 09 Aug 2015 : 13:29:04
When 3ed ended the spellplague killed off quite a few deities (Mystra, The drow pantheon) Helm....., demoted a few deities (mainly the elemental deities) and added a few deities (Asmodeous)
Then the Sundering brought some of them back
Anyone able to confirm whose come back and whose still dead? |
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| Infamous |
Posted - 06 Oct 2015 : 02:10:25
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Originally posted by Caladan Brood
I still feel like I don't know anything about this Sundering.
Absolutely. We all eagerly wait for more information on Forgotten Realms post-Sundering, but I am not sure what's keeping WotC. Does anyone know? |
| CorellonsDevout |
Posted - 04 Oct 2015 : 03:49:23
I knew about that book (ibplan to buy it) but since it doesn't come out til next month, I wasn't sure which book he was referring to. I didn't know the Table of Contents was online for viewing. |
| Irennan |
Posted - 04 Oct 2015 : 03:45:27
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Originally posted by CorellonsDevout
Table of Contents in what book?
The Sword Coast Adventurer's guide, a would-be 5e FRCS:
http://dnd.wizards.com/articles/news/scag
http://media.wizards.com/2015/downloads/dnd/SCAG_ToC_2k33.pdf
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| CorellonsDevout |
Posted - 04 Oct 2015 : 03:24:04
Table of Contents in what book? |
| Gyor |
Posted - 03 Oct 2015 : 18:12:34
According to the table of contents, the Gods section is 20 pages roughly, not including the section on religion in general, and in that section is a side bar on Mulhorandi Gods. Thier is also a side bar on Aasmir in the Tiefling Section, along with another side bar on Tiefling Variants. |
| Irennan |
Posted - 01 Oct 2015 : 04:41:51
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Originally posted by Veritas
quote:
Originally posted by Irennan
the details of *how* she managed to, will be revealed in the fullness of time
I wouldn't count on it.
I know, they're acting as if LP had never happened (which isn't that bad IMO). Hope dies last, though: even a nod to what Brian James and Eric Menge wrote would be cool (and they already have the material, so it would cost them nothing), or perhaps Ed will briefly adress this in his future novels (he has the habit of doing this kind of stuff). |
| Veritas |
Posted - 01 Oct 2015 : 04:30:38
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Originally posted by Irennan
the details of *how* she managed to, will be revealed in the fullness of time
I wouldn't count on it. |
| Irennan |
Posted - 01 Oct 2015 : 03:16:08
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Originally posted by Dargoth
quote:
Originally posted by Irennan
quote:
Originally posted by Dargoth
I remember reading some where that Eilistraee, Vhaeraun and Helm where trapped in the Rememants of the weave during the 4ed era and only got out when Mystra was reborn during the Sundering?
Is this correct or was it some ones hombrew?
If true where they the only 3 god trapped or where their others?
Also if someone could quote the source that would be great tks! :-p
In Spellstorm, it is said that Mystra is currently sharing the Weave with other deities (some weakened), and that Eilistraee is among them. Nothing has been said about Vhaeraun, except that he returned and -like his sister- directly appeared to his followers. It isn't clear if Eilistraee was hiding in the Weave before the Sundering (and I've seen nothing that leads me to think that). *Perhaps* the SCAG will have a line or two that clarify on their return. AFAIK, Helm used the same trick as Mystra's, and hid in a goat.
Theres a couple of very good reasons why Eilistraee might have ended up in the weave after all shes tied to magic in at least 2 ways
1) Her father is the elven god of magic
2) She died while possessing Qilue a Chosen of Mystra and she may have been dragged into the weave along with Qilues soul
Its a pity about Helm not being in the weave Ive had some ideas that would have fanned out more easily if he had been in the wave
Yeah, perhaps (and that would have dragged Vhaeraun as well, since they were joined at the time), but I meant to say that I've read nothing new that points to Eilistraee hiding in the Weave. In Spellstorm Mystra is *sharing* the Weave with Eilistraee, among others, and according to what Ed said, she just reappeared (the details of *how* she managed to, will be revealed in the fullness of time). |
| Dargoth |
Posted - 01 Oct 2015 : 02:54:15
quote:
Originally posted by Irennan
quote:
Originally posted by Dargoth
I remember reading some where that Eilistraee, Vhaeraun and Helm where trapped in the Rememants of the weave during the 4ed era and only got out when Mystra was reborn during the Sundering?
Is this correct or was it some ones hombrew?
If true where they the only 3 god trapped or where their others?
Also if someone could quote the source that would be great tks! :-p
In Spellstorm, it is said that Mystra is currently sharing the Weave with other deities (some weakened), and that Eilistraee is among them. Nothing has been said about Vhaeraun, except that he returned and -like his sister- directly appeared to his followers. It isn't clear if Eilistraee was hiding in the Weave before the Sundering (and I've seen nothing that leads me to think that). *Perhaps* the SCAG will have a line or two that clarify on their return. AFAIK, Helm used the same trick as Mystra's, and hid in a goat.
Theres a couple of very good reasons why Eilistraee might have ended up in the weave after all shes tied to magic in at least 2 ways
1) Her father is the elven god of magic
2) She died while possessing Qilue a Chosen of Mystra and she may have been dragged into the weave along with Qilues soul
Its a pity about Helm not being in the weave Ive had some ideas that would have fanned out more easily if he had been in the wave |
| Irennan |
Posted - 01 Oct 2015 : 02:46:11
quote:
Originally posted by Dargoth
I remember reading some where that Eilistraee, Vhaeraun and Helm where trapped in the Rememants of the weave during the 4ed era and only got out when Mystra was reborn during the Sundering?
Is this correct or was it some ones hombrew?
If true where they the only 3 god trapped or where their others?
Also if someone could quote the source that would be great tks! :-p
In Spellstorm, it is said that Mystra is currently sharing the Weave with other deities (some weakened), and that Eilistraee is among them. Nothing has been said about Vhaeraun, except that he returned and -like his sister- directly appeared to his followers (he's also supposed to have a chosen, but then everyone and their granny had/was a chosen during the Sundering, so...). It isn't clear if Eilistraee was hiding in the Weave before the Sundering (and I've seen nothing that leads me to think that). *Perhaps* the SCAG will have a line or two that clarify on the return of the twins.
AFAIK, Helm used the same trick as Mystra's, and hid in a goat. |
| Dargoth |
Posted - 01 Oct 2015 : 02:36:18
I remember reading some where that Eilistraee, Vhaeraun and Helm where trapped in the Rememants of the weave during the 4ed era and only got out when Mystra was reborn during the Sundering?
Is this correct or was it some ones hombrew?
If true where they the only 3 god trapped or where their others?
Also if someone could quote the source that would be great tks! :-p |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 20 Sep 2015 : 16:38:56
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Originally posted by sleyvas
quote:
Originally posted by WarriorPrincess
Finding Leira in the new PHB was a very "Well, duh!" moment for me - she's a Goddess of Tricking People, who honestly believed she died without clear evidence being presented? That's like when the main character "dies" off screen and comes back at the end to say something cheesy.
Agreeing here, though my problem is I come up with about 15 different stories of what she was doing and can't settle on one.
Well, we do have clear evidence she was dead... But I like the idea that the entire Cyrinishad debacle was either a final plot of hers, or otherwise led to her return. |
| sleyvas |
Posted - 20 Sep 2015 : 16:10:31
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Originally posted by WarriorPrincess
Finding Leira in the new PHB was a very "Well, duh!" moment for me - she's a Goddess of Tricking People, who honestly believed she died without clear evidence being presented? That's like when the main character "dies" off screen and comes back at the end to say something cheesy.
Agreeing here, though my problem is I come up with about 15 different stories of what she was doing and can't settle on one.
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| sfdragon |
Posted - 19 Sep 2015 : 03:54:12
leave moander gone thankyou. |
| froglegg |
Posted - 19 Sep 2015 : 01:01:14
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Originally posted by Shadowsoul
I hope they bring back Moander.
That would be cool.
John |
| CorellonsDevout |
Posted - 17 Sep 2015 : 21:56:32
I agree about Mask being CN. I too was under the impression Riven sort of became Mask, but at the end of th Twilight War, he suggested to Magadon that Mask wasn't truly dead. Maybe Riven took Mask into himself. Not exactly like with what happened with Mystra and Midnight, but along similar lines. |
| Artemas Entreri |
Posted - 17 Sep 2015 : 17:46:59
Always loved reading about Moander. Great name too! |
| Jeremy Grenemyer |
Posted - 17 Sep 2015 : 17:31:21
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Originally posted by Veritas
Faerun needs more Moander.
This.
Surely the Spellplague and Sundering kicked up enough magical, planar and divine energy to wake up a sliver of sentience in this otherwise dead god.
Maybe that's how Cormyr--or at least the Obarskyr line--is destroyed once and for all? An Obarskyr becomes a priest of Moander and creates a sickness that only kills off those of the blood Obarskyr. As the deaths mount, the deity gets stronger and eventually takes over the kingdom. |
| Irennan |
Posted - 17 Sep 2015 : 17:10:40
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Originally posted by Lilianviaten
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Originally posted by Gurgle Gobblespit
Hi all,
Regarding Mask…. if I'm reading correctly, he was labeled an "Evil" (I think NE) deity during 4th Edition. But in my 5th Edition PHB, he is listed as Chaotic Neutral.
Come to think of it, the CN alignment does make more sense since he is the deity most associated with thieves? The assumption here is that not all thieves are evil. But that a vast majority of thieves are simply opportunistic Neutrals. And Chaotic (anti-establishment, anti-law, anti-order) also makes sense. Hence, Chaotic Neutral deity of thievery, trickery, deceit, etc.
I agree, and I think the Twilight War trilogy lays out an excellent explanation for the change in alignment. Originally, Mask was granted power by Shar to act as one of her heralds (very reminiscent of Galactus and Silver Surfer). So I think that original taint is what made Mask a Neutral Evil deity. I see his rebellion against her as indicative of the fact that he's interested in being a Neutral deity. And it's noteworthy that Erevis Cale and Drasek Riven were Evil aligned before they became followers of Mask, and both were dragged into Neutral alignment while in service to him.
What intrigues me is where Mask subsumed Riven in the same way that Lolth subsumed Danifae at the end of WOTSQ, or if Mask perhaps has made Riven his exarch or even returned Riven to mortal life (as was the case with Cale). Hopefully we find out in a sourcebook, or Ed tells us, since it doesn't appear that Kemp will be writing for FR anytime soon.
I was under the impression that Riven basically became Mask. Or was Mask just reborn through the shards of his power being gathered in Riven? |
| Lilianviaten |
Posted - 17 Sep 2015 : 17:03:57
quote:
Originally posted by Gurgle Gobblespit
Hi all,
Regarding Mask…. if I'm reading correctly, he was labeled an "Evil" (I think NE) deity during 4th Edition. But in my 5th Edition PHB, he is listed as Chaotic Neutral.
Come to think of it, the CN alignment does make more sense since he is the deity most associated with thieves? The assumption here is that not all thieves are evil. But that a vast majority of thieves are simply opportunistic Neutrals. And Chaotic (anti-establishment, anti-law, anti-order) also makes sense. Hence, Chaotic Neutral deity of thievery, trickery, deceit, etc.
I agree, and I think the Twilight War trilogy lays out an excellent explanation for the change in alignment. Originally, Mask was granted power by Shar to act as one of her heralds (very reminiscent of Galactus and Silver Surfer). So I think that original taint is what made Mask a Neutral Evil deity. I see his rebellion against her as indicative of the fact that he's interested in being a Neutral deity. And it's noteworthy that Erevis Cale and Drasek Riven were Evil aligned before they became followers of Mask, and both were dragged into Neutral alignment while in service to him.
What intrigues me is where Mask subsumed Riven in the same way that Lolth subsumed Danifae at the end of WOTSQ, or if Mask perhaps has made Riven his exarch or even returned Riven to mortal life (as was the case with Cale). Hopefully we find out in a sourcebook, or Ed tells us, since it doesn't appear that Kemp will be writing for FR anytime soon. |
| Irennan |
Posted - 17 Sep 2015 : 16:38:18
quote:
Originally posted by Gurgle Gobblespit
Hi all,
Regarding Mask…. if I'm reading correctly, he was labeled an "Evil" (I think NE) deity during 4th Edition. But in my 5th Edition PHB, he is listed as Chaotic Neutral.
Come to think of it, the CN alignment does make more sense since he is the deity most associated with thieves? The assumption here is that not all thieves are evil. But that a vast majority of thieves are simply opportunistic Neutrals. And Chaotic (anti-establishment, anti-law, anti-order) also makes sense. Hence, Chaotic Neutral deity of thievery, trickery, deceit, etc.
It makes sense to me as well (especially if you consider thieves that act like Robin Hood). I hope that they do the same for Vhaeraun (even if it would be more arguable for him), especially since he spent some time joined with his sister Eilistraee, and his followers have been cooperating with hers for a time. The drow pantheon would then cover the full good-evil spectrum: CE Lolth, CN Vhaeraun and CG Eilistraee. |
| Artemas Entreri |
Posted - 17 Sep 2015 : 16:34:45
quote:
Originally posted by Gurgle Gobblespit
Hi all,
Regarding Mask…. if I'm reading correctly, he was labeled an "Evil" (I think NE) deity during 4th Edition. But in my 5th Edition PHB, he is listed as Chaotic Neutral.
Come to think of it, the CN alignment does make more sense since he is the deity most associated with thieves? The assumption here is that not all thieves are evil. But that a vast majority of thieves are simply opportunistic Neutrals. And Chaotic (anti-establishment, anti-law, anti-order) also makes sense. Hence, Chaotic Neutral deity of thievery, trickery, deceit, etc.
I like the CN alignment for Mask. Seems more fitting. |
| Gurgle Gobblespit |
Posted - 17 Sep 2015 : 16:27:41
Hi all,
Regarding Mask…. if I'm reading correctly, he was labeled an "Evil" (I think NE) deity during 4th Edition. But in my 5th Edition PHB, he is listed as Chaotic Neutral.
Come to think of it, the CN alignment does make more sense since he is the deity most associated with thieves? The assumption here is that not all thieves are evil. But that a vast majority of thieves are simply opportunistic Neutrals. And Chaotic (anti-establishment, anti-law, anti-order) also makes sense. Hence, Chaotic Neutral deity of thievery, trickery, deceit, etc. |
| Veritas |
Posted - 17 Sep 2015 : 15:00:32
Faerun needs more Moander. |
| CorellonsDevout |
Posted - 16 Sep 2015 : 18:55:44
As a Lathander fan, I too prefer him to be a separate deity from Amaunataur.
At the end of the day, I am just glad all the deities are back. The Spellplague killed off way too many of them. |
| Dargoth |
Posted - 15 Sep 2015 : 07:10:23
quote:
Originally posted by Cyrinishad
That's a great idea Dargoth, I dig it... As far as leveling up the Cyrinishad, you could just simplify it by having it level up when it's converted that many new people, plus the # of times it has used the resurrection.
It starts at level 1 because it has Malik, then needs 2 more to get to level 2, then 3 more after that to get to level 3, etc. So, something like this:
Level 1 = 1 convert
Level 2 = 3 total converts
Level 3 = 6 total converts
Level 4 = 10 total converts
Level 5 = 15 total converts
...and so on, and if you don't put a level cap on the progression, theoretically the radius of effect could start encompassing entire nations.
...If you wanted to be really nefarious, you could require the characters to actually die while under the effect of the Cyrinishad (after completing all the previous steps) in order to travel to the Realm of the Dead, and subsequently have their souls access the Supreme Throne (since Cyric would be their patron deity at that point)... Which suggests that maybe the only way to ensure Cyric remains imprisoned is for their souls ultimately become imprisoned on the Supreme Throne as well...
Im thinking of using my idea for the Cyrinishiad as a campaign for Sword Coast legends starting in Candlekeep. (Ill have to wait till the weekend till I get my hands on the Early access DMs tools to see what feasiable) One thing Im going to try and do is recreate candlekeep using BG1 as a template |
| Lilianviaten |
Posted - 10 Sep 2015 : 14:49:28
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
quote:
Originally posted by Joran Nobleheart
Heh, I always enjoy discussions here at Candlekeep with all of you! 
Out of curiosity Wooly, what about Amaunator frustrates you or cause you to like him less than Lathander?
It's a combination of things. One is that I really, really like Lathander. Another is that I've never liked the tripartite sun deity idea - I don't see how different times of the day need divine representation. I seriously dislike that idea, actually. And even ignoring the redundancy, there is nothing about Amaunator that appeals to me.
I don't dislike Amaunator. I just don't want him connected to or replacing Lathander.
I like Lathander, but I feel the same way about him that many people have come to feel about Shar and Lolth. He's overused.
1) In the Twilight War Trilogy, it was nice not to have Mystra usurp Selune's place as Shar's archrival. But then Lathander does it!
2) In The Reaver (Sundering book 3), the endless flooding caused by Umberlee is destroying Turmish, and the Emerald Enclave (devoted to Silvanus and other nature deities) has to stop it. So a Chosen of Lathander comes along, cures the insane one, and helps them stop it.
3) In the Threat from the Sea trilogy, a Chosen of Latander destroys the giant shark demigod easily (very anti-climactic battle) at the end.
Lathander seems to be the secondary go to good deity, after Mystra, and he ends up getting injected in battles that would more logically suit other gods. I hated how Silvanus and Mielikki were seemingly unable to fix the issues in the Emerald Enclave, instead relying on Lathander to do it. |
| Irennan |
Posted - 10 Sep 2015 : 14:08:23
quote:
Originally posted by Cyrinishad
...If you wanted to be really nefarious, you could require the characters to actually die while under the effect of the Cyrinishad (after completing all the previous steps) in order to travel to the Realm of the Dead, and subsequently have their souls access the Supreme Throne (since Cyric would be their patron deity at that point)... Which suggests that maybe the only way to ensure Cyric remains imprisoned is for their souls ultimately become imprisoned on the Supreme Throne as well...
Wow, that's just evil. I don't envy your players  |
| Cyrinishad |
Posted - 10 Sep 2015 : 14:03:08
That's a great idea Dargoth, I dig it... As far as leveling up the Cyrinishad, you could just simplify it by having it level up when it's converted that many new people, plus the # of times it has used the resurrection.
It starts at level 1 because it has Malik, then needs 2 more to get to level 2, then 3 more after that to get to level 3, etc. So, something like this:
Level 1 = 1 convert
Level 2 = 3 total converts
Level 3 = 6 total converts
Level 4 = 10 total converts
Level 5 = 15 total converts
...and so on, and if you don't put a level cap on the progression, theoretically the radius of effect could start encompassing entire nations.
...If you wanted to be really nefarious, you could require the characters to actually die while under the effect of the Cyrinishad (after completing all the previous steps) in order to travel to the Realm of the Dead, and subsequently have their souls access the Supreme Throne (since Cyric would be their patron deity at that point)... Which suggests that maybe the only way to ensure Cyric remains imprisoned is for their souls ultimately become imprisoned on the Supreme Throne as well... |
| WarriorPrincess |
Posted - 10 Sep 2015 : 05:43:29
Finding Leira in the new PHB was a very "Well, duh!" moment for me - she's a Goddess of Tricking People, who honestly believed she died without clear evidence being presented? That's like when the main character "dies" off screen and comes back at the end to say something cheesy.
It was also refreshing to see they ditched the "Well, not TECHNICALLY a deity" crap for Eldath, because only having deities around that provide obvious villains or patrons for violent heroes is bland and obnoxious and any setting can provide that sort of simple mindedness.
The real question is, when is someone going to take advantage of how perfect Garagos is and have him go on a rampage again? He's the perfect Patron of Murder-hobos, after all! |
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