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Delwa Posted - 16 Sep 2015 : 16:58:02
Someone shared this announcement on other social media, and I thought it'd be relevant to share here. I know some older threads link to discussion topics at the WotC forums, and we might lose some good Realmslore discussions in this event.
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Wooly Rupert Posted - 30 Dec 2015 : 05:02:11
quote:
Originally posted by perlmugp

Speaking of things WotC has shut down are any of the old archives to realmslore articles still available? Every link I can find even from some fairly recent posts just point to the DnD homepage now.



WotC has a horrible habit of rearranging the website periodically, and they never update the links to old material -- they just shuffle it somewhere else and forget about it. I know of content on the WotC site that was uploaded circa 2000, with all the links to it changed a year or two later -- but it's still there, if you know the URL to find it.
perlmugp Posted - 29 Dec 2015 : 11:32:17
Thank you. I'm going to back those up while they still work. Do you by any chance know where the "Tribes of Thar" article might be?
JohnLynch Posted - 29 Dec 2015 : 07:54:37
quote:
Originally posted by perlmugp

Speaking of things WotC has shut down are any of the old archives to realmslore articles still available? Every link I can find even from some fairly recent posts just point to the DnD homepage now.

Return to Undermountain is still accessible as is several links from there.

Not that I'm currently looking at all sources of Undermountain and using them to create an Ur-Undermountain set in 1489 DR
perlmugp Posted - 29 Dec 2015 : 05:14:03
Speaking of things WotC has shut down are any of the old archives to realmslore articles still available? Every link I can find even from some fairly recent posts just point to the DnD homepage now.
Irennan Posted - 21 Sep 2015 : 22:11:26
quote:
Originally posted by Gurgle Gobblespit

My hope is that with the upcoming release of Sword Coast Adventurers Guide, there will be renewed spark of interest/activity with all things Forgotten Realms. Call me an optimist.

Or a goblin.



That's my hope as well.
Gurgle Gobblespit Posted - 21 Sep 2015 : 22:06:17
My hope is that with the upcoming release of Sword Coast Adventurers Guide, there will be renewed spark of interest/activity with all things Forgotten Realms. Call me an optimist.

Or a goblin.
George Krashos Posted - 19 Sep 2015 : 04:19:16
As one of the oldest, still semi-active posters - 14 years now - it's sad that WotC no longer see value in their message boards.

But the FR Forum has been barren for a while now - reflective of WotC's publishing practices IMO - so it's no loss in terms of the Realms. Candlekeep is now probably the last bastion for Realms discussion available to FR fans. EnWorld is too big and unfocused in my view to do that as well as it is done here.

So we should all cherish the 'Keep and continue to make her strong and vibrant. I'm committed to doing just that for as long as possible.

-- George Krashos
Kuje Posted - 19 Sep 2015 : 03:29:56
Sad to hear about that they're doing this even if I haven't been on those boards in years. Still, there was many good, and bad, times that I had over on the WOTC boards.
Azurecobalt Posted - 19 Sep 2015 : 01:36:45
quote:
Originally posted by Shadowsoul

quote:
Originally posted by Azurecobalt

It seems we went through this before when Gleemax was shut down. What strikes me is how more open and honest they were about that debacle (we screwed up, essentially). It's also amusing that they point out that the forums are the heart of the community.

Archived announcement here: https://web.archive.org/web/20080730111123/http://www.gleemax.com/Comms/Pages/Communities/BlogPost.aspx?blogpostid=96074&pagemode=2&blogid=2158



Link doesn't seem to work.



If you copy and paste the whole thing it works (this forum reads it as two separate links). But I'll copy and paste the post:

Gleemax Farewell
Posted By: randyb, 7/28/2008 10:38:56 AM

Wizards of the Coast has made the decision to pull down its Gleemax social networking site in order to focus on other aspects of our digital initiatives, especially Magic Online and Dungeons & Dragons Insider. We continue to believe that fostering online community is an important part of taking care of our customers, but until we have our games up and running at a quality level we can be proud of, it will be the games themselves that receive the lion’s share of our attention and resources.

Our plan is to shut down Gleemax completely sometime in September. (I can’t give a more exact date because the timing depends on what’s going on with other projects.) To those of you who have posted to Gleemax, I thank you for your contributions over the past year. It is community members like you that made this project worth trying, and it is your efforts and words that gave it heart. You should save your blogs by copying that text somewhere else. Meanwhile, I encourage you to head over to the Wizards forums. The Wizards online community continues to thrive, and there should be lots of fun stuff to talk about over the coming months, including our digital offerings.

That’s the short version. The long version, as you might imagine, is a lot longer. And for me, it’s a lot more personal. I choose to work at Wizards of the Coast because I truly care about the games we make and the gamers we make them for. I come to work each day because I was lucky enough to become a gamer, and I want to make sure the dream is still there for the next guy who comes along.

For me, it’s actually been two different dream lifestyles: For a couple of years in the 90’s, I got to be a professional Magic player. I traveled the world, made some great friends, played what is still (in my opinion) the best strategy game ever made, and I made enough money to pay the bills while doing all of that. I’ve also had the privilege for almost a decade now to make games for a living. Working at Wizards sounds like a dream job to many of our diehard players, and the crazy part is that working at Wizards turns out to really be that dream job. The culture inside the building is an awesome blend of smarts and passion, and most days I can’t imagine a better place to work. I feel that it’s my duty to make sure both the games and the company are in an even better place when the next generation of smart kids comes along. Whether we’re playing D&D around the kitchen table, Friday Night Magic at your local store, or assorted German board games on Tuesday nights at Wizards headquarters, we’re all part of the same shared culture.

Anyway, all of that is what led me to be such a passionate evangelist, pushing to move Wizards in a more digital direction. It remains clear that gamers are moving online and if we’re going to preserve everything that is special about Wizards of the Coast—and the hobby gamer culture in general—then we have to move online too.

The mistake that I made, however, was in trying to push us too far too fast. I still think the vision for Gleemax is awesome: creating a place on the web where hobby gamers (or lifestyle gamers or thinking gamers, or whatever you want to call us) can gather to talk about games, play games, and find people to play games with. But I’ve come to realize that the vision was too ambitious. We’ve made progress down about ten different paths over the past eighteen months, but we haven’t been able to reach the end of any of them yet.

The correct strategy at this point is clear: we need to focus. We’re not going to abandon the vision, but we are going to put large chunks of it on the backburner until we prove that we can succeed at the most important pieces. Those pieces are Magic Online and D&D Insider.

Magic Online “V3” is up and running, but it took us a long time to get here and it’s by no means perfect. We have a lot of ideas about what we can do now to make the game better and we’ll be devoting significant resources in future months and years to doing precisely that.

D&D Insider functionality has started to roll out, but we’re still behind where we wanted to be. In the plus column, Dragon and Dungeon magazines have launched in their new online format, and they seem to be getting rave reviews. The Rules Compendium has also launched – it’s a searchable database that contains all the rules elements from all the 4th Edition books we publish. The magazines and the rules compendium are available now to anyone who signs up for a free trial of D&D Insider. Next up are improvements to those pieces plus beta-testing of the Character Builder, Character Visualizer, Dungeon Builder, and Game Table.

Unfortunately, that doesn’t leave us with any bandwidth to devote to Gleemax right now. Wizards of the Coast remains committed to online community, but instead of trying to grow a new website for a brand-agnostic community, we need to focus on keeping our own house in order. We have the two best games in the world, and we need to take care of them before expanding into new digital arenas.

Randy Buehler

Vice President of Digital Gaming

Wizards of the Coast
Brimstone Posted - 19 Sep 2015 : 00:14:12
Bye Felicia. I haven't been on the WotC boards in ages. I have no interest in whatever edition of D&D that WotC is pushing...
Shadowsoul Posted - 18 Sep 2015 : 06:52:07
quote:
Originally posted by Azurecobalt

It seems we went through this before when Gleemax was shut down. What strikes me is how more open and honest they were about that debacle (we screwed up, essentially). It's also amusing that they point out that the forums are the heart of the community.

Archived announcement here: https://web.archive.org/web/20080730111123/http://www.gleemax.com/Comms/Pages/Communities/BlogPost.aspx?blogpostid=96074&pagemode=2&blogid=2158



Link doesn't seem to work.
Azurecobalt Posted - 18 Sep 2015 : 01:25:19
It seems we went through this before when Gleemax was shut down. What strikes me is how more open and honest they were about that debacle (we screwed up, essentially). It's also amusing that they point out that the forums are the heart of the community.

Archived announcement here: https://web.archive.org/web/20080730111123/http://www.gleemax.com/Comms/Pages/Communities/BlogPost.aspx?blogpostid=96074&pagemode=2&blogid=2158
GungHo Posted - 17 Sep 2015 : 19:37:15
Well, they weren't really all that willing to spend the resources to properly maintain it in the first place.
Diffan Posted - 17 Sep 2015 : 11:08:14
Such a shame. That's the first place I started to post when I learned about the D&D community and forums in general back in '06. So much info and discussions were started there and I had such a great time. Its unfortunate that the Realms forums dissolved after the Gleemax debacle. Well I just started a new profile over at ENworld, so we'll see how that goes.
TBeholder Posted - 17 Sep 2015 : 11:04:12
quote:
Originally posted by Caladan Brood

Why not try to draw these people to a shiny forum, dripping with D&D-appropriate atmosphere?

Obviously, it's not the desired result.
quote:
Originally posted by Jeremy Grenemyer

One idea I read over at EN World is that WotC is after Promotion, not Discussion.

Yup. Not that fairly obvious intra-corporation astroturfing wasn't a thing long ago. Relevant to the Realms, too.
Shadowsoul Posted - 17 Sep 2015 : 07:17:25
quote:
Originally posted by Jeremy Grenemyer

One idea I read over at EN World is that WotC is after Promotion, not Discussion.

Social Media does the former really well, forums do the later, and Social Media outstrips Forum discussions bigtime.

WotC could just as easily have handed their archive over to EN World, because it would be relatively cheap to host it, but they didn't do this because forums run counter to what WotC is chasing after, which is a high rate of promotion.

The forum thread can be found here at EN World: http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?468614-WotC-To-Close-Forums-Including-D-amp-D-and-M-tG-%28aka-quot-Welcome-New-Forum-Members-to-EN-World!-quot-%29

Also, if you have content on the WotC forums you'd like to save, EN World has started a new forum to dump content into and sort out later: http://www.enworld.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?538-WotC-Emergency-Evacuation-Lifeboat



You would think by now, Wizards actually knew their fanbase but obviously they do not. RPG's have had discussions for many years now through the various discussion boards. They talk about promoting but what they don't seem to grasp is the fact that discussion and promotion go hand in hand. Why not clean up the boards and promote them along side their products? I know loads of people who started playing D&D and wanted more info on it so they went to the source to look for discussions on various topics.
LordManshoon Posted - 17 Sep 2015 : 05:48:39
quote:
Originally posted by sfdragon

they band the OTTers gang there, a friend of mine was in that guild and was going to try to get me in that guild.
wouldn't have joined it anyway after my friend's 2nd banning I knew that the next time was going to be permanent.

I left the forum not long after it started to be a ghost town.

It's a shame that the FR forums faded the way they did. When I first discovered the boards, I spent a year lurking, enjoying all the posts made by guys like LordKarsus and MarkusTay. Then I signed up right around the time of the mass exodus. I really enjoyed the first couple years because there was still life in the boards, but as time passed and the veteran posters left, I switched my attention to Play-by-Post. Then a couple years ago the last board transition annihilated the PBP communities and I went elsewhere.

I really wish things had turned out for the better, but it is what it is.
Jeremy Grenemyer Posted - 17 Sep 2015 : 05:33:41
One idea I read over at EN World is that WotC is after Promotion, not Discussion.

Social Media does the former really well, forums do the later, and Social Media outstrips Forum discussions bigtime.

WotC could just as easily have handed their archive over to EN World, because it would be relatively cheap to host it, but they didn't do this because forums run counter to what WotC is chasing after, which is a high rate of promotion.

The forum thread can be found here at EN World: http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?468614-WotC-To-Close-Forums-Including-D-amp-D-and-M-tG-%28aka-quot-Welcome-New-Forum-Members-to-EN-World!-quot-%29

Also, if you have content on the WotC forums you'd like to save, EN World has started a new forum to dump content into and sort out later: http://www.enworld.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?538-WotC-Emergency-Evacuation-Lifeboat
Wooly Rupert Posted - 17 Sep 2015 : 04:30:57
quote:
Originally posted by Shadowsoul

quote:
Originally posted by Delwa

It could simply mean that they are cutting the dross so that they can channel funds to products that people are asking for.
If Hasbro is looking to expand the D&D product line in a way that is similar to Marvel's Cinematic Universe, it may simply mean that WotC is under closer financial scrutiny so that they can ensure such a venture will be lucrative.
The recent movie announcement points to that. As does their entire shift from D&D being "just" a Tabletop product to a multi-platform venture.
This announcement doesn't have to indicate any ill for WotC. It could, but it doesn't have to.
It could very simply be that they are starting to do something different from the norm.



Doubt it.

It's not like it costs millions to keep those forums open. Also, why do you have to take from one in order to do for the other? So they need to shut down the forums in order to divert time and money into the movie? Sounds like it's going to be a pretty crappy movie to me then. All of this stuff can be achieved at the same time. It's funny how they are so all about the "multi platform" approach and yet they cut staff and keep them on a probably small budget.

I honestly think they are flying in the dark.



It wouldn't cost millions, but the paid staffers can be moved to stuff that offers more of a direct return, and their bandwidth costs will go down.
Eltheron Posted - 17 Sep 2015 : 02:51:53
quote:
Originally posted by Jeremy Grenemyer

If they drop the forums, then they cut their paid staff. I don't know how many people were running the show, but I'd say they just removed one quarter to one third of their headcount.

Ever since Gleemax and the rise of 4E, WotC to me has always seemed like a company that wanted to be on the bleeding edge of social media and tech, no matter the cost.

I don't know, I wouldn't go that far. To me, WotC has always seemed more interested in paying the absolute minimum to keep their social media running.

And I could be wrong, but I think quite a few of their staff might be moved to other things. Some might be outright fired, or perhaps even all of them, but I have a feeling that they might just be shifting from forums to simpler social media like Twitter and such. Time will tell, I suppose.

quote:
They never figured out how to leverage their users/customers. Instead they ran roughshod over them by destroying people's hard work, removing links to that work and otherwise alienating and loosing as many people as they won with their new tech.

And now they're doing it one more time. They invite people to form communities, put their campaigns on the D&D wiki and interact, and now they are taken my it away.


Is the D&D Wiki tied to their forums?

Jeremy Grenemyer Posted - 17 Sep 2015 : 02:11:56
If they drop the forums, then they cut their paid staff. I don't know how many people were running the show, but I'd say they just removed one quarter to one third of their headcount.

Ever since Gleemax and the rise of 4E, WotC to me has always seemed like a company that wanted to be on the bleeding edge of social media and tech, no matter the cost.

They never figured out how to leverage their users/customers. Instead they ran roughshod over them by destroying people's hard work, removing links to that work and otherwise alienating and loosing as many people as they won with their new tech.

And now they're doing it one more time. They invite people to form communities, put their campaigns on the D&D wiki and interact, and now they are taken my it away.

Delwa Posted - 17 Sep 2015 : 00:45:23
quote:
Originally posted by Shadowsoul

quote:
Originally posted by Delwa

It could simply mean that they are cutting the dross so that they can channel funds to products that people are asking for.
If Hasbro is looking to expand the D&D product line in a way that is similar to Marvel's Cinematic Universe, it may simply mean that WotC is under closer financial scrutiny so that they can ensure such a venture will be lucrative.
The recent movie announcement points to that. As does their entire shift from D&D being "just" a Tabletop product to a multi-platform venture.
This announcement doesn't have to indicate any ill for WotC. It could, but it doesn't have to.
It could very simply be that they are starting to do something different from the norm.



Doubt it.

It's not like it costs millions to keep those forums open. Also, why do you have to take from one in order to do for the other? So they need to shut down the forums in order to divert time and money into the movie? Sounds like it's going to be a pretty crappy movie to me then. All of this stuff can be achieved at the same time. It's funny how they are so all about the "multi platform" approach and yet they cut staff and keep them on a probably small budget.

I honestly think they are flying in the dark.



You could be right. I'm just not ready to say, "this is what they're doing" on this evidence. Everything they've been saying about 5e D&D is that it's very successful, more than they were expecting. That might still mean that they expected it to fail, and were pleasantly surprised, but I doubt it. Hasbro wouldn't be talking about a movie if they were failing that miserably.

I just see this as a pruning of ye old grapevine. You don't just let a grapevine grow willy-nilly. You prune the excess to keep the vine as a whole healthy.
I could very well be wrong, but I'm not ready to say "it's all over, the boat's sinking" on this fact, especially when 5e was such a success. I've seen far too many people coming to the Facebook and Google Plus pages saying, "hey, I haven't played since OD&D, and 5e has sparked my interest" - and they still are around those groups as active participants - to come to that conclusion yet.

As for not listening to their fans... I think it's the opposite. How many people here have said their forums were a ghost town? Sure, they could have actually redesigned their website to a more useful interface, but I think you'd as soon change the moon to cheese. They don't have any talent in web design. Their repeatedly poor website design speaks to that.
They simply saw that it was more profitable for them to cut that branch and move on. They couldn't compete with ENWorld, or the other popular fan forums.

Shadowsoul Posted - 17 Sep 2015 : 00:28:09
quote:
Originally posted by Delwa

It could simply mean that they are cutting the dross so that they can channel funds to products that people are asking for.
If Hasbro is looking to expand the D&D product line in a way that is similar to Marvel's Cinematic Universe, it may simply mean that WotC is under closer financial scrutiny so that they can ensure such a venture will be lucrative.
The recent movie announcement points to that. As does their entire shift from D&D being "just" a Tabletop product to a multi-platform venture.
This announcement doesn't have to indicate any ill for WotC. It could, but it doesn't have to.
It could very simply be that they are starting to do something different from the norm.



Doubt it.

It's not like it costs millions to keep those forums open. Also, why do you have to take from one in order to do for the other? So they need to shut down the forums in order to divert time and money into the movie? Sounds like it's going to be a pretty crappy movie to me then. All of this stuff can be achieved at the same time. It's funny how they are so all about the "multi platform" approach and yet they cut staff and keep them on a probably small budget.

I honestly think they are flying in the dark.
Caolin Posted - 16 Sep 2015 : 23:38:33
So is this proof that they weren't listening to the fans at all?
Eltheron Posted - 16 Sep 2015 : 22:33:49
The Realms forums were indeed a ghost town, so it's extremely unlikely Candlekeep will pull any of those forum-goers here.

The real loss will be for their general/class forum participants. The class guides being a big thing over there. Plus, it appears nothing will be archived but everything will simply be closed and deleted. So it pushes people away from the company outward toward 3rd party forums.

It seems that they will be keeping some of their other social media operating, such as Twitter. But their Twitter accounts have primarily been employee-specific, so if someone is fired or laid off, which happens with regularity at WotC, it'll also dwindle by nature.

It's probably (primarily and mostly) motivated by additional cost-cutting, and freeing employees from time distractions so they can concentrate more on other things. It's also very corporate-think, in that most corporations see very little value in extended communication with their customers. The next edition probably won't have as much player-developer interaction, I imagine.


Delwa Posted - 16 Sep 2015 : 21:04:18
It could simply mean that they are cutting the dross so that they can channel funds to products that people are asking for.
If Hasbro is looking to expand the D&D product line in a way that is similar to Marvel's Cinematic Universe, it may simply mean that WotC is under closer financial scrutiny so that they can ensure such a venture will be lucrative.
The recent movie announcement points to that. As does their entire shift from D&D being "just" a Tabletop product to a multi-platform venture.
This announcement doesn't have to indicate any ill for WotC. It could, but it doesn't have to.
It could very simply be that they are starting to do something different from the norm.
sfdragon Posted - 16 Sep 2015 : 21:01:59
they band the OTTers gang there, a friend of mine was in that guild and was going to try to get me in that guild.
wouldn't have joined it anyway after my friend's 2nd banning I knew that the next time was going to be permanent.

I left the forum not long after it started to be a ghost town.
Veritas Posted - 16 Sep 2015 : 20:50:47
If anything, this cost-cutting measure signals to me that D&D is as close to death as it has ever been. Not that I think the IP is going anywhere, sine Hasbro can still find uses for it with video game and alternative media, but the skeletal full-time staff and the trickle of products (mainly outsourced) make it pretty clear that the product line is underperforming and Hasbro is fiscally holding their feet to the fire. MTG's stellar performance is probably the only thing allowing WoTC to limp along. The previous edition must have been catastrophic in terms of sales to bring the product line to this point.
Caladan Brood Posted - 16 Sep 2015 : 20:23:37
I think their reasoning is a little backward.
If the forums used some solid message board software and they were more easily found on their user-unfriendly website I'm sure more discussion would be concentrated there.
So instead of giving fans of the game and its settings a great place to hang out, they just nuke it because people are elsewhere.
Why not try to draw these people to a shiny forum, dripping with D&D-appropriate atmosphere?

(Not that it matters that much to me; this is the only D&D-related board I frequent. Well, this and the boards for Sword Coast Legends).
Wooly Rupert Posted - 16 Sep 2015 : 18:13:51
It strikes me as another cost-saving maneuver - otherwise, they'd not need to delete their forums entirely.

As for me, there is no impact at all. They wrongfully banned me years ago, and I had no reason to even think about going back there. I had some good discussions there and enjoyed the company of certain other participants, but was quite some time ago. I've not looked back and I'll continue to not look back.

I do think this is a mistake on WotC's part, but there's such a long list of them that it's not even worth keeping count.

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