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Aryalómë Posted - 16 Jul 2011 : 18:43:18
Who is your favourite Drow deity and why?
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Irennan Posted - 18 Jul 2019 : 13:54:27
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

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Originally posted by sleyvas

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Originally posted by BenN

If your definition of "sexy" is eight hairy legs, giant poison-filled fangs and the ability to shoot silk out of your arse.

Hey, whatever does it for you, dude....



I wonder how much a silk gown made from Lolth's excretions would sell for?



Not much at all. Most priestesses of Lolth would simply kill you for it. And no one else would want it.



Eh. Never underestimate people's fetishes.
Wooly Rupert Posted - 18 Jul 2019 : 04:14:28
quote:
Originally posted by sleyvas

quote:
Originally posted by BenN

If your definition of "sexy" is eight hairy legs, giant poison-filled fangs and the ability to shoot silk out of your arse.

Hey, whatever does it for you, dude....



I wonder how much a silk gown made from Lolth's excretions would sell for?



Not much at all. Most priestesses of Lolth would simply kill you for it. And no one else would want it.
sleyvas Posted - 18 Jul 2019 : 01:39:11
quote:
Originally posted by BenN

If your definition of "sexy" is eight hairy legs, giant poison-filled fangs and the ability to shoot silk out of your arse.

Hey, whatever does it for you, dude....



I wonder how much a silk gown made from Lolth's excretions would sell for?
BenN Posted - 18 Jul 2019 : 00:37:12
If your definition of "sexy" is eight hairy legs, giant poison-filled fangs and the ability to shoot silk out of your arse.

Hey, whatever does it for you, dude....
Sunderstone Posted - 17 Jul 2019 : 19:42:02
quote:
Originally posted by froglegg

I voted for Lolth because she is sexy,evil and twisted.




John



Lloth for the same reason.
Martinsky Posted - 25 Oct 2017 : 00:57:30
Being I werewolf myself it not hard to choose from.
Irennan Posted - 23 Oct 2017 : 00:17:06
quote:
Originally posted by froglegg

I voted for Lolth because she is sexy,evil and twisted.




John



Man, even Vhaeraun has more charm than her, judging by this poll. And if you're looking for sexiness, Eilistraee is the drow goddess of beauty herself.
froglegg Posted - 22 Oct 2017 : 23:26:17
quote:
Originally posted by froglegg

I voted for Lolth because she is sexy,evil and twisted.




John


P.S. Yes I changed my mind.




John
froglegg Posted - 22 Oct 2017 : 23:20:55
I voted for Lolth because she is sexy,evil and twisted.




John
CorellonsDevout Posted - 22 Oct 2017 : 22:23:34
Annnnd I just realized I commented on this thread couple years ago lol. Oops
Gyor Posted - 22 Oct 2017 : 22:20:22
It's interesting that Sharess (Zandilar) gave birth to a Drow God, but is not considered a part of the Drow Pantheon.

Selvetarm is arguably also potentially a member of the Mulhorandi Pantheon or at least he could demand membership by right of blood.
CorellonsDevout Posted - 22 Oct 2017 : 22:00:25
It's a tie between Eilistraee and Vhaeraun. I love them both.
GRYPHON Posted - 31 Jul 2015 : 18:39:11
Lolth...
Irennan Posted - 03 Apr 2015 : 17:10:45
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Originally posted by Baltas

I think Roseweave meant that Eilistraee has the vast majority of voices in this thread.

And I also votted for her, although I like all of the drow gods XD.



Oh I see. Well, Eilistraee's indeed popular, she and Vhaeraun are two ''dark horses'', so to speak. Underdogs and deities of little influence in their lore, they also started as underdogs/marginal characters in terms of popularity, but became unexpectedly well liked.
Baltas Posted - 03 Apr 2015 : 02:58:19
I think Roseweave meant that Eilistraee has the vast majority of voices in this thread.

And I also votted for her, although I like all of the drow gods XD.
Irennan Posted - 03 Apr 2015 : 02:09:58
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Originally posted by Roseweave

Eilistraee even though she's a Mary Sue. Feel bad she's winning so hard though makes her more of a Mary Sue lol.



Sarcasm? Eilistraee and her followers ultimately get the short end of the stick in every event they appear... this is the first time I hear this about her
Roseweave Posted - 03 Apr 2015 : 01:33:06
Eilistraee even though she's a Mary Sue. Feel bad she's winning so hard though makes her more of a Mary Sue lol.
Irennan Posted - 31 Mar 2015 : 09:55:52
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Originally posted by LordofBones

Eilistraee's entire concept was pretty much doomed to fail from the get-go. As a good goddess in a sea of evil deities, she's too drastic a leap for anyone who wishes to turn from Lolth without a drastic change of alignment. As the deific chief of a matriarchy-oriented priesthood, a male escaping Lolth's clergy would have no reason to even want to worship her.

Her Masked Lady aspect was the best of both worlds; being both gender-equal and somewhat indifferent to alignment.



As I've said a couple posts above, Eilistraee is and offers to the drow something that no other deity can, but that many dark elves ultimately, deep inside need (just like any other creature). People of any gender who wish for a different life, Eilistraee can bring them this hope and make it real, taking the role of a mother goddess for all drow. It isn't doomed to fail, but it is indeed a very audacious goal, as part of her point is to lead the drow to an alternative, not to offer a better deal to those who are unhappy with Lolth, but still want all the scheming for power and so on.

I give you that it is hard for her to succeed, but that is part of what makes her fascinating, as I said; being a underdog forging her own path no matter what hardships she faces, a light that keeps shining despite all the darkness around her.

And while the vast majority of their communities are led by women (which is not an inherently bad thing IMO) and males can't be priests (most likely because, using Ed's words, ''One cannot truly feel the Divine Dance of Eilistraee PROPERLY except as a female''), they are respected and get a gender-fair treatment (outside of access to clergy), like it was also said in a SKR's article regarding drow society. Also, according to Ed

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Except among clergy dwelling together in a temple (or forest “temple” community; I’m not speaking here of holy buildings or even a fixed worship site), I don’t think there are any such things as “Eilistreean communities.” (Remember, individuals in the Realms worship an array of gods, not a single deity.) Eilistreean-DOMINATED communities and Eilistreean households, yes. In all of those, females tend to govern (formally make decisions and be consulted in decision-making as the individuals with most social “weight” and influence), involving males primarily as “spot experts” (e.g. “You saw the attack, Phaerold, so tell us - -” and “You’ve dealt with that human more than the rest of us, Phaerold; please give us your opinion as to - - “) Males tend to be daily-bread-winning workers, guards and warriors, and have tasks related to their generally superior physical strength. They do not tend to be supervisors and high-ranking decision-makers. (Please note the word “tend.” I’m speaking in gross generalizations here, not of “a rule that holds true in all cases.”) Many males - - even clerics of Eilistraee - - become spies, scouts, patrolling guards, or leaders of lawkeeping or defensive military forces for Eilistreean-dominated communities or Eilistreean-dedicated holy communities. (To answer Kentinal’s Jan06 query: “Some wonder how Eilistraee reacts to Wizards as followers as there has been little mention of Eilistraee following mages and the one of note is female, where do males fit in?” I can add that male wizards (of any race) accepted as worshippers of Eilistraee also serve in such capacities (and as “resident experts in arcane magic”)


This has to be true for females who are not priestesses as well. They would fit in the worker or warrior/spy/expert category (after all, if they do not handle the administrative/leadership aspects, what do you picture them doing?).

and

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However, these gender matters can be overstated and overemphasized. On the whole, all clergy of the Dark Maiden welcome an increase in worshippers of the Goddess, and the fellowship (and working with) more and more Servants of the Dark Dancer.


Naturally things change from community to community and from individual to individual, some drow women (mostly recent converts, I guess, as a result of the remnants of their prevous lifestyle) can display sexism or lack of trust towards males, but the latter are lovingly welcomed by Eilistraee to join her, and definitely do have a place among her followers. Priests represent a narrow minority (and few people have becoming one as a goal), males would definitely have plenty of reasons to worship Eilistraee (and keep in mind that worshipping her doesn't mean exlcusively her), even if priestesses still rule, they would be treated with fairness.

Considering this, the novels seem to have gone way overborad with sexism among the Eilistraeens.

That said, the Masked Lady is an interesting concept, but I would far prefer for Eilistraee and Vhaeraun to knock the rough edges off and come to an agreement. It would have the same effect, and bring to the drow the best of both worlds, while preserving both of their awesome identities.
MrHedgehog Posted - 31 Mar 2015 : 06:48:28
quote:
Originally posted by LordofBones

Eilistraee's entire concept was pretty much doomed to fail from the get-go. As a good goddess in a sea of evil deities, she's too drastic a leap for anyone who wishes to turn from Lolth without a drastic change of alignment. As the deific chief of a matriarchy-oriented priesthood, a male escaping Lolth's clergy would have no reason to even want to worship her.

Her Masked Lady aspect was the best of both worlds; being both gender-equal and somewhat indifferent to alignment.



Her worshipers did not have to be good. Even her priestesses could be Neutral. Characters in the world don't know they are evil and they may just worship the alternative goddess...

I love the Eilistraee-Vhaeraun "Masked Lady/Lord" hybrid/merged deity and like to pretend they weren't killed off.
LordofBones Posted - 31 Mar 2015 : 04:12:43
Eilistraee's entire concept was pretty much doomed to fail from the get-go. As a good goddess in a sea of evil deities, she's too drastic a leap for anyone who wishes to turn from Lolth without a drastic change of alignment. As the deific chief of a matriarchy-oriented priesthood, a male escaping Lolth's clergy would have no reason to even want to worship her.

Her Masked Lady aspect was the best of both worlds; being both gender-equal and somewhat indifferent to alignment.
Xanthias Posted - 30 Mar 2015 : 23:00:30
Vhaeraun. Complex, fiercely independent and proud, cruel but pursuing a very important goal.
Kiaransalee is cool, too, and Eilistraee is anything but boring. Selvetarm has this sad backstory, and Ghaundaur... well, his particular brand of weirdness is fun.
Now that I think about it, Lolth is the only boring deity. Overexposure will do that to a character.
Irennan Posted - 27 Jan 2015 : 13:26:53
YMMV ofc. She's actually unique and interesting in her role as a ''good'' goddess, because of the bond she has with the drow. In her story she chooses to be with them no matter what, she sacrifices her own happines for them, she shares their exile, their suffering, but also their dreams and wishes, the desire for a better life that many of them feel deep inside.

Eilistraee is one of them and fights for them, to make the dream of a life worthy of that name a reality.

She basically fulfills the role of the ''light in the darkness'', but does so in a way that is just hers. She is what Lolth could never be to the dark elves, a mother-goddess (such is what Ed said Eilistraee is meant to be) who gives her children the love, kindness, acceptance and the joy of life that was taken from them. In this way, she makes the drow understand that an alternative exists and helps them to make this choice, to grow and flourish in a hostile world.

Eilistraee also has the charm of the underdog forging her own path, inspiring her people to do the same, to choose their future and create their own happiness, in harmony with other races.

She's not trivial, unlike some describe her. Naturally, that's not everyone's cup of tea, but neither are politics and backstabbing (and on a side note, Vhaeraun is close to his sister on this matter, as he doesn't like infighting among the drow -- even though he doesn't hesitate to use shady methods on his enemies).
LordofBones Posted - 27 Jan 2015 : 12:43:36
I find Eilistraee to be painfully boring. She's the token good teammate of the pantheon.

Honestly, I prefer Vhaeraun and Kiaransalee, if only because I like the politicking and backstabbing of the pantheon. Eilistraee just isn't that interesting as a divinity.

Victor_ograygor Posted - 25 Jan 2015 : 12:42:18
Drows are generally Evil.. so Ill go with Loth :)
froglegg Posted - 23 Jan 2015 : 00:24:31
Eilistraee.

I like her story, or I did till they murdered her.




John
Yasraena Posted - 20 Jan 2015 : 04:11:33
Eilistraee. She hasn't failed me yet!
The Arcanamach Posted - 01 Dec 2014 : 16:14:42
Voted Eilistraee but really it's the Masked Lady (which I'm currently re-working on after a computer crash destroyed my file on her).
Therise Posted - 02 Sep 2013 : 22:19:05
I like all of the drow deities, but if I have to choose just one... Eilistraee.

I liked the Masked Lady even better, though.

Personally, I don't think Eilistraee killed Vhaeraun. I think he was convinced to join with her temporarily.
Irennan Posted - 02 Sep 2013 : 21:02:29
Meh, Eilistraee, Vhaeraun and Kiaransalee have their own goals* that are unrelated to Lolth, and can be valid deities on their own. Fact is that Lolth brainwashed the drow to the point that her rivals need to free (well, ''free'' in Kiaransalee's case) them from her influence before proceeding further.

*Even if they removed Lolth, every of them would still make sense.

Vhaeraun wants the drow to grow as a race and reach their former glory. He's also a deity of rebellion, subtle sort of ''guerilla'' and sabotage, and patron of sneaky, ''dark alley''-ish activities.

Eilistraee ''is forging her own path, one that welcomes beings of all races who revel in life and the free form expression of all that entails'' (demihuman deities). She believes in fighting for a sort of utopy where all people can coexist freely and peacefully, and putting drow back at the helm of their own life is obviously a huge part of this. She's also a goddess of dance, music, freedom, creativity and so on, unrelatedly to Lolth.

Kiaransalee is a deity of undeath and revenge, she can exist as such, depsite her relation to Lolth (she has been kind of subdued by Lolth, but this doesn't mean that her character exists in function of the Spider Queen).


Mystic Lemur Posted - 02 Sep 2013 : 20:16:30
Ghaunadaur, because he's the only one truly independent of Lloth, and I think that scares her. All the others only seem to exist to serve her or oppose her, and therefore she has control over them.

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