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| Fellfire |
Posted - 08 Oct 2014 : 17:00:41
Cath Shee
I have had an idea drawing inspiration from a couple of recent scrolls. I envision an elven shapeshifter (non-lycan) similar to the elven lythari. Instead of wolves, their preffered secondary form would be that of the elven cat Cath Shee. I would like to retain their teleport without error ability in lieu of the lythari's ability to access faerie gates and such. Does this seem unreasonable or outlandish? |
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| sleyvas |
Posted - 20 Jun 2018 : 01:56:39
Wow, that is a pretty picture. It says the artist is Kerem Beyit.
https://kerembeyit.deviantart.com/
Just sharing because I've just noted how often a picture can just one ideas. |
| Barastir |
Posted - 18 Jun 2018 : 15:43:33
quote:
Originally posted by Fellfire
Does anybody recognize this pic (...)?
It's a beautiful picture, way better than the official ones of Cath Shee. Although its tail is short, more like a giant lynx.
Another option would be Watchmen Ozymandias' cat, Bubastis.
Both lack the Cath Shee's saber-tooth fangs, though.
EDIT: Substitution of Fellfire's dead link for another with the same picture. |
| Barastir |
Posted - 27 Sep 2017 : 12:44:11
quote:
Originally posted by Markustay
In my completely non-FR homebrew setting, I have it where all 'elves' (...) have the ability to shape-shift naturally, into one particular animal form. Certain clans/groups have more of an affinity toward a certain type of creature (...), but others can be just about anything. Extremely powerful folk can sometimes learn to assume more than one form (as a natural ability, not a 'spell').
(...)
Sort of reminded me of Dragonlance Irda. This shapechange includes more magical forms, like unicorns and cath shee? Maybe giant versions of animals? |
| Markustay |
Posted - 25 Sep 2017 : 02:54:49
In my completely non-FR homebrew setting, I have it where all 'elves' (I don't even use that term - humans sometimes do, but that race finds it offensive) have the ability to shape-shift naturally, into one particular animal form. Certain clans/groups have more of an affinity toward a certain type of creature (like wolves, which is fairly common), but others can be just about anything. Extremely powerful folk can sometimes learn to assume more than one form (as a natural ability, not a 'spell').
It was experimentation with some captured 'wolf types' that lead to the creation of werewolves (and other lycanthropes). The existence of 'half-breeds' is unheard of in my world, and when they do occur, they are considered 'abominations'. |
| Barastir |
Posted - 24 Sep 2017 : 19:45:22
And, as a slightly off-topic response to the thread, there is this novel in Sembia in which a half-wood elf girl, related to a Skinwalker, has the power to turn into a tressym... Didn't remember the novel's name, now. |
| Roseweave |
Posted - 12 Jan 2016 : 00:06:52
In my Realms-ish based fics, Nine Tales University(Monster High/Rosario Vampire kind of thing), Charlie/Mr. Misotoffelees is a Cait Sídhe who was a familiar to the main character's adoptive mother, and becomes her sidekick. He's basically the Chesire cat. He hasn't shapeshifted yet, but I'm starting to write those stories again and they'll feature more heavily.
http://crystallineprincess.tumblr.com/tagged/short-stories
I think he appears in Clocksmith and the Cuckoo or one of the other fics too. |
| Barastir |
Posted - 21 Dec 2015 : 10:01:30
quote:
Originally posted by Hoondatha
Demihuman Deities, under the section for Rillifane.
Right, but as a new version on the original found in Elves of Evermeet. But yes, I think the Demihuman Deities version is a bit better, even if it still had some flaws. I wrote my own version, very similar to the original but with a few - needed - corrections.
EDIT: Checked the originals and my version, and actually some clarifications were needed (specially on the healing power of the druid), but some alterations were made according to my taste. It's 2e game mechanics fanwork for my personal use, but I can share it if anyone has interest. |
| Hoondatha |
Posted - 11 Dec 2015 : 17:14:43
Demihuman Deities, under the section for Rillifane. All of Rillifane's specialty priests are druids, and green elven druids are sometimes called skinwalkers. All of Rillifane's druids have an optional ability to exchange the normal 2e druid's ability to shapeshift three times into three separate animals for being able to shift into one particular animal for an increasing amount of times per week, then per day, then at will as their level increases. They need to get the instruction from a skinwalker (green elf), but it isn't restricted to green elves.
Aside from that change, and that it allows elves to be druids at all, there isn't anything different between Rillifane's druids and normal druids. |
| Fellfire |
Posted - 11 Dec 2015 : 15:47:00
Skin-walkers of Rillifane. Where can I find more about them? |
| sleyvas |
Posted - 25 Oct 2014 : 00:37:23
quote:
Originally posted by ericlboyd
There's some info on the racial origins of lythari in Races of Faerun, page 27.
--Eric
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
quote:
Originally posted by Barastir
Elves of Evermeet (and then Demihuman Deities) says that they probably cannot turn into wolves probably because the lythari were once druids linked to wolf spirits, but their bond became so strong that sometime in their history they rose as a new race. So, wolf form would be restricted to them.
The thing is, though, it doesn't really explain why it would be restricted. Sure, I can get one group becoming so strongly bonded that it becomes practically second nature, but that's still not a racial change, and it still doesn't explain why someone else wouldn't be able to do the same thing.
We've never seen the lythari having a particular reverence for Rillifance. I'm not saying it's not there, but there is a difference between an ability granted to priests and an ability granted to an entire race, regardless of their divine affinity. Similarly, there is no mention of a reverence for Rillifane required for the ritual that turns non-lythari into lythari.
It is my suspicion that there was something the proto-lythari (those who were wolf skinwalkers of Rillifane and who became the first lythari) did that forever set them apart and marked them as special to Rillifane. It would have been some great service, performed as a group -- something epic, like perhaps slaying a demigod that threatened Rillifane, or stopping some dire threat to an elven community. As a reward, he made the wolf change be something innate to and limited to them.
Elaine's lythari have that gating ability that isn't in their official write-ups... There could be some connection there, too, I think. Perhaps there was some form of "elf wolf" (lyshee?) that had that ability, and those proto-lythari became unified with those wolves... Or maybe that's something that only some lythari know; a learned ability they get.
Ah, so it does, so it does
"The elves, despite their long history, are not true natives to
Faerûn. They came to Faerûn from the realm of Faerie twentyfive
millennia ago, passing through fey crossroads and backroads
that have long since been lost. The first elves to arrive were the
Sy-tel-quessir (green elves), the Ly-tel-quessir (lythari), and the
Aril-tel-quessir (avariel). Of these original three races, only the
green elves, now known as the wild elves, survive in any number.
The avariel are nearly extinct now, having fought many terrible
wars with the dragons of the ancient world. The lythari have
changed so far from their elven roots that they are regarded by
most Faerûnian scholars as a separate race from the Tel-quessir."
[/b] more interesting of this is this piece. It kind of squashes the theory that the Ilythiiri and the Lythari have some kind of similar background and that one is just a corruption of the name of the other (which is kind of sad.... I liked it).[/b]
"The second wave of elves to travel to Faerûn included the
Ssri-tel-quessir (destined to become the drow). They were the
most successful, emerging from the southern jungles of Faerûn
and quickly establishing grand empires in their new home."
and
"To the south, in what is now the Vilhon Reach, rose the three green elf nations of Thearnytaar, Eiellûr, and Syòpiir, while two more realms arose in the forests that once covered the Shaar: Orishaar of the moon elves, and Ilythiir of the dark elves."
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| ericlboyd |
Posted - 20 Oct 2014 : 23:40:54
There's some info on the racial origins of lythari in Races of Faerun, page 27.
--Eric
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
quote:
Originally posted by Barastir
Elves of Evermeet (and then Demihuman Deities) says that they probably cannot turn into wolves probably because the lythari were once druids linked to wolf spirits, but their bond became so strong that sometime in their history they rose as a new race. So, wolf form would be restricted to them.
The thing is, though, it doesn't really explain why it would be restricted. Sure, I can get one group becoming so strongly bonded that it becomes practically second nature, but that's still not a racial change, and it still doesn't explain why someone else wouldn't be able to do the same thing.
We've never seen the lythari having a particular reverence for Rillifance. I'm not saying it's not there, but there is a difference between an ability granted to priests and an ability granted to an entire race, regardless of their divine affinity. Similarly, there is no mention of a reverence for Rillifane required for the ritual that turns non-lythari into lythari.
It is my suspicion that there was something the proto-lythari (those who were wolf skinwalkers of Rillifane and who became the first lythari) did that forever set them apart and marked them as special to Rillifane. It would have been some great service, performed as a group -- something epic, like perhaps slaying a demigod that threatened Rillifane, or stopping some dire threat to an elven community. As a reward, he made the wolf change be something innate to and limited to them.
Elaine's lythari have that gating ability that isn't in their official write-ups... There could be some connection there, too, I think. Perhaps there was some form of "elf wolf" (lyshee?) that had that ability, and those proto-lythari became unified with those wolves... Or maybe that's something that only some lythari know; a learned ability they get.
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| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 14 Oct 2014 : 05:18:33
quote:
Originally posted by Barastir
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
We were speaking of skinwalkers of Rillifane in the Realms. They cannot turn into wolves.
But they can turn into cath shee, even if they don't have their magic powers. 
True. I was just commenting on an interesting (to me, at least) aspect of the skinwalkers, since they had been brought up. I'm rather a fan of lythari, so that factoid takes much prominence, for me. |
| Barastir |
Posted - 14 Oct 2014 : 03:02:25
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
We were speaking of skinwalkers of Rillifane in the Realms. They cannot turn into wolves.
But they can turn into cath shee, even if they don't have their magic powers. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 13 Oct 2014 : 04:10:55
quote:
Originally posted by Roseweave
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
quote:
Originally posted by Barastir
Not lycanthropes, but skinwalker Druids of Rillifane Rallathil can possibly transform themselves into Cath Shee. But I think they don't keep the teleport ability, considering the rules that govern a druid's shapechange.
Interestingly, they can't turn into wolves. I've always thought there was a connection, there, though I've never come up with a good one.
There are fairies that can. There was an animation called The Secret of Kells made a few years back where the Fairy girl could shift into a Wolf.
We were speaking of skinwalkers of Rillifane in the Realms. They cannot turn into wolves. |
| Fellfire |
Posted - 13 Oct 2014 : 01:03:37
Mister Mxyzptlk? I'm not sure what happened here. |
| Roseweave |
Posted - 13 Oct 2014 : 00:38:35
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
quote:
Originally posted by Barastir
Not lycanthropes, but skinwalker Druids of Rillifane Rallathil can possibly transform themselves into Cath Shee. But I think they don't keep the teleport ability, considering the rules that govern a druid's shapechange.
Interestingly, they can't turn into wolves. I've always thought there was a connection, there, though I've never come up with a good one.
There are fairies that can. There was an animation called The Secret of Kells made a few years back where the Fairy girl could shift into a Wolf. |
| Roseweave |
Posted - 13 Oct 2014 : 00:38:02
oh my god these american spellings of my language is hurting my eyes haha
Now i know what cultural appropriation feels like |
| Roseweave |
Posted - 13 Oct 2014 : 00:34:39
There's a Caít Sídhe in my short stories which are loosely set in and around Waterdeep, named after Mr. Mistofelees from Cats the musical. I'm going with the idea that he's an actual feytouched cat. In a lot of mythology when an animal lives for long enough they become some sort of fairy creature(or Youkai). He doesn't shapeshift, but he's been known to. Most of the time he just lies around and teleports from place to place like the Cheshire Cat. There's a bunch of ways of approaching it.
http://crystallineprincess.tumblr.com/tagged/short-stories
(He appears in Clocksmith and the Cuckoo and Nine Tails University Pt. II) |
| Barastir |
Posted - 12 Oct 2014 : 21:06:45
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
quote:
Originally posted by Fellfire
Cooshee, Cath-shee. I assume the -shee suffix denotes elven.
I believe "shee" comes from the pronunciation of the Irish sidh, which originally referred to hills and mounds in the Irish countryside, believed to be inhabited by supernatural types such as faeries or elves. Later, the term kinda morphed, referring to the people themselves, instead of their believed dwelling places. The word Sidhe is a common variant of it, used in a lot of modern fantasy.
That's it, and in the elven dictionary here in CK, published by Steven Sypa, "cooshee" is translated as "faerie dog", "cath shee" as "faerie cat", and "shee" would mean "faerie". Maybe not official, but a very cool point of view (an elven cat - of the small kind - would be a "cath quessir"). |
| Fellfire |
Posted - 11 Oct 2014 : 08:07:10
Anybody know the source of the ''Wild'' armor special property? From what I understand, it allows shapeshifting without having to shed your armor and (less importantly than having to strip) allowing you to keep armor bonuses while in wildshape. |
| Fellfire |
Posted - 11 Oct 2014 : 00:19:37
4e, but a good start for my Moonshadow Stalkers. Alright crap that. There appears to be a 4e D or D article that helps. I cannot provide a link other than "Shadows of the Moonbow." Apologies to the mods if I'm violating copyright. Feel free to delete, modify, or chastise. I didn't write or post it. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 10 Oct 2014 : 19:48:18
quote:
Originally posted by Barastir
Elves of Evermeet (and then Demihuman Deities) says that they probably cannot turn into wolves probably because the lythari were once druids linked to wolf spirits, but their bond became so strong that sometime in their history they rose as a new race. So, wolf form would be restricted to them.
The thing is, though, it doesn't really explain why it would be restricted. Sure, I can get one group becoming so strongly bonded that it becomes practically second nature, but that's still not a racial change, and it still doesn't explain why someone else wouldn't be able to do the same thing.
We've never seen the lythari having a particular reverence for Rillifance. I'm not saying it's not there, but there is a difference between an ability granted to priests and an ability granted to an entire race, regardless of their divine affinity. Similarly, there is no mention of a reverence for Rillifane required for the ritual that turns non-lythari into lythari.
It is my suspicion that there was something the proto-lythari (those who were wolf skinwalkers of Rillifane and who became the first lythari) did that forever set them apart and marked them as special to Rillifane. It would have been some great service, performed as a group -- something epic, like perhaps slaying a demigod that threatened Rillifane, or stopping some dire threat to an elven community. As a reward, he made the wolf change be something innate to and limited to them.
Elaine's lythari have that gating ability that isn't in their official write-ups... There could be some connection there, too, I think. Perhaps there was some form of "elf wolf" (lyshee?) that had that ability, and those proto-lythari became unified with those wolves... Or maybe that's something that only some lythari know; a learned ability they get.
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| Barastir |
Posted - 10 Oct 2014 : 18:46:02
Elves of Evermeet (and then Demihuman Deities) says that they probably cannot turn into wolves probably because the lythari were once druids linked to wolf spirits, but their bond became so strong that sometime in their history they rose as a new race. So, wolf form would be restricted to them. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 10 Oct 2014 : 17:59:26
quote:
Originally posted by Barastir
Not lycanthropes, but skinwalker Druids of Rillifane Rallathil can possibly transform themselves into Cath Shee. But I think they don't keep the teleport ability, considering the rules that govern a druid's shapechange.
Interestingly, they can't turn into wolves. I've always thought there was a connection, there, though I've never come up with a good one. |
| Barastir |
Posted - 10 Oct 2014 : 16:42:38
Not lycanthropes, but skinwalker Druids of Rillifane Rallathil can possibly transform themselves into Cath Shee. But I think they don't keep the teleport ability, considering the rules that govern a druid's shapechange. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 10 Oct 2014 : 12:33:25
quote:
Originally posted by Fellfire
Does anybody recognize this pic and know the artist or from whence it came?
Google is your friend.
http://art-of-fantasy.org/pics/details/190.html |
| Fellfire |
Posted - 10 Oct 2014 : 08:50:06
Does anybody recognize this pic and know the artist or from whence it came? |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 09 Oct 2014 : 04:45:42
quote:
Originally posted by Fellfire
I'm kinda diggin' ailouri myself (though I prefer the aeolouri spelling.) Consider it swiped. Thanks for your input.
Aeolouri is good. It's not as blatantly derivative as ailouri (though I do still like it). |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 09 Oct 2014 : 04:44:24
Yeah, I forgot that Elves of Evermeet did give them the silver/magic weapon resistance thing. |
| Fellfire |
Posted - 09 Oct 2014 : 03:50:09
This may even warrant a new PrC. I'm thinking Moonshadow Stalkers to be ever-vigilant against the agents of both Shar and Malar. |
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