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Gyor Posted - 04 Apr 2014 : 05:03:09
I really liked this novel.

The characters were interesting, especially Peox, that biazzare confusing goat.

Iwill say that I knew it would be Joelle who would sacrifice herself, really no matter what the others thought it could be no other who could sacrifice themselves then the Chosen of Sune for love. It wouldn't have made sense.

That being said the fact that the guy ended up getting the girl where the girl interested in her ended up dead will likely bother some lesbians as literture over the years has often had the lesbian on the losing end of the stick when competing over the affections from a woman when the other person is a man.

Still Kendrick didn't exactly win, he just survived and Joelle will always be the one who died for Arretta so when her love for Keef grows cold because he farts to much in his sleep her love for Joelle will be eternal as only tradgic loves can be.
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Renin Posted - 25 Apr 2014 : 22:44:21
quote:
Originally posted by The Arcanamach

So far, the best Sundering novel IMO has been The Adversary followed by The Companions. The series falls very short behind them. I didn't have very high expectations for the series though. The blame doesn't lie with the authors but with Wizbro for butchering the setting. The authors are just doing what they are contracted to do and I think they're doing the best they can. The Sentinel wasn't all that bad though (and I don't mind the cheesy methods of resetting some aspects of Toril's landscape because, in the end, that's all that can be done to set things right).



Out of most of the conversations, this one seems to mirror most of what I feel about this book.

I didn't feel anything from this book. The Reaver's characters were at least better, but the events are merely backdrops for what feels like wiki entries based on press clippings until the campaign setting becomes available.

Based on how much I hated bury Elminster Deep and Elminster Enraged, I'm not coming to the Herald expecting anything.

As always, I hope to be suprised.
Caolin Posted - 24 Apr 2014 : 23:02:36
quote:
Originally posted by charger_ss24

Wait, what?

"Malik was gone, too, of course. His god, Myrkul, had bestowed on him the ability to vanish like a ghost, and he practiced it often - especially when danger threatened."

Did I miss something down the road? Isn't Malik a Chosen of Cyric?



I'll venture that you haven't even read the book yet.
Mirtek Posted - 23 Apr 2014 : 19:51:06
quote:
Originally posted by charger_ss24

Wait, what?

"Malik was gone, too, of course. His god, Myrkul, had bestowed on him the ability to vanish like a ghost, and he practiced it often - especially when danger threatened."

Did I miss something down the road? Isn't Malik a Chosen of Cyric?

Yeah, since when would a chosen of the Prince of Lies speak an untruth?

OK, for Malik it was actually surprising to see him being able to lie
Eltheron Posted - 23 Apr 2014 : 14:06:31
quote:
Originally posted by The Arcanamach

{snip}
Joelle was horrible. If she is what passes for a follower of the goddess of love then Sune needs to fall to Cyric (just my opinion).{snip}

The lesbian relationship was too sudden to be credible IMO. If Arietta was self-aware enough to already know she had such feelings it would have been more palatable.{snip}


It's far, far worse than a poorly-constructed "late discovery of her true feelings" kind of thing, though. If real, genuine feelings were involved, it would've been a bit hackneyed and rushed, but acceptable.

But really, I think what Joelle did actually qualifies as rape. Joelle consistently and intentionally used her Chosen-enhanced magical charm gift to ensnare people into "love" of her - which wasn't love at all. Additionally, Joelle's end-goal wasn't any kind of lasting relationship, nor did it have any real affection behind it. It was to charm people such that one of them would essentially commit suicide as a "willing" sacrifice for her because of this false, magic-induced love. IMO, it was rape - which should be considered 100% evil, particularly for Sune the goddess of love.

It's sickening when you really think about the truth of what she was doing. Joelle attempted this with Kleef over and over, and when it didn't work with him she turned to Arietta. There was no love, no relationship, no intent to have anything real or long term. The only reason Joelle didn't try it with Malik is because she needed him as a carrier of Gruumsh's Eye.

Would Arietta have done or felt what she did, if it wasn't for the forced magical charm? At the very most, Arietta starting thinking of Joelle as a possible friend - which Joelle then took and twisted.

Bear in mind, I am not at all against portraying lesbian or gay relationships in Realms novels. But this was not a relationship (even a budding one). It was rape with the end-goal of causing the person to jump off a cliff.

This is what Sune wanted? Seriously?!?

More to the point: is this the kind of thing that I want to see in future Realms novels? Rape dressed up in magical charm, condoned and encouraged by an ostensibly good deity? No, this is just sick.

Let's say you have an empowered Charm spell in your inventory. You go into a tavern, cast it on an attractive wench, and use her for a night of pleasure. Then you convince her to throw herself onto the sword of a city watchman so you can escape arrest. Would that be self-sacrifice? Was the wench in love? Nope, and nope. It was rape and murder, forced by an irresistible magic charm. In my book, that's Evil with a capital E.

But here, it's apparently condoned and encouraged by a good goddess. Seriously, Cyric here was portrayed as being LESS evil and deranged than Sune. In every important way, this was a twisted perversion of Sune and her primary portfolio, not to mention her alignment.

Seriously, I can't even. This is the single worst thing they could've done for the goddess Sune.


charger_ss24 Posted - 23 Apr 2014 : 05:05:10
Wait, what?

"Malik was gone, too, of course. His god, Myrkul, had bestowed on him the ability to vanish like a ghost, and he practiced it often - especially when danger threatened."

Did I miss something down the road? Isn't Malik a Chosen of Cyric?
Delwa Posted - 22 Apr 2014 : 21:26:15
I really enjoyed the novel. The author's choice of deities did peak my interest, as Siamorphe, Sune, and Helm did figure into the entry for 1384 in GHotR. I wonder if we'll see any more lore tied to that? Overall I enjoyed the story, but the Chosen of Sune could have gone out more.... I don't know, smoothly? The way it happened just seemed kind of contrived.
Mirtek Posted - 22 Apr 2014 : 17:30:26
quote:
Originally posted by The Arcanamach

I did like that Joelle sacrificed herself for love in the end though...
But she didn't. She was standing there content watching either Arietta or Kleef sacrifice her-/himself when she was suddenly backstabbed and killed by Malik.

OK, they somehow counted "not picking up her corpse before leaving" as a sacrifice, but that was nothing that Joelle, quite dead at this point, had any active part in anymore.

So Cyric got his sacrifice (the murder), Grumbar got his sacrifice (the leftover of Cyric's really, Grumbar seems to be easy to please) and Sune might have gotten hers (if you count the willingness of Kleef to die for love as already just as good has the actual act of dying for love), but neither was due to Joelle sacrificing herself
The Arcanamach Posted - 22 Apr 2014 : 15:49:09
So far, the best Sundering novel IMO has been The Adversary followed by The Companions. The series falls very short behind them. I didn't have very high expectations for the series though. The blame doesn't lie with the authors but with Wizbro for butchering the setting. The authors are just doing what they are contracted to do and I think they're doing the best they can. The Sentinel wasn't all that bad though (and I don't mind the cheesy methods of resetting some aspects of Toril's landscape because, in the end, that's all that can be done to set things right).

The only character remotely interesting to me was Kleef. He had the most character development I think and was the most believable of them. I never cared for Malik and didn't care for him here either. Joelle was horrible. If she is what passes for a follower of the goddess of love then Sune needs to fall to Cyric (just my opinion). I did like that Joelle sacrificed herself for love in the end though...that redeemed her to some degree. Arietta was a little hard to pin down. She was interesting up to a point (standing her ground on what a noble 'should be' even in the face of great danger) but beyond that she was rather bland.

The lesbian relationship was too sudden to be credible IMO. If Arietta was self-aware enough to already know she had such feelings it would have been more palatable. But seemingly over night she 'discovered' her emotional/sexual urgings? Sorry just doesn't work for me. I'm not sure if the fault lies with the author in this regard (though it seems too) or with Wizbro (who may have wanted him to 'touch' on the subject).
Clegane Posted - 20 Apr 2014 : 17:15:24
quote:
Originally posted by Gyor

Goodreads gives the novel 4.55 out of 5 a very good grade.



Not surprising. It's been my favorite of the Sundering series so far.
Caolin Posted - 13 Apr 2014 : 02:01:07
So far I've read all of the Sundering novels. The Evans and Salvatore novels seemed far more fleshed out story wise. The others have this feeling of just filling in plot points in the overall Sundering story arc. Not that they were bad. But they all could have used more space and time to flesh out their stories....especially Kemp's novel.

This maybe why I enjoyed Night of the Hunter so much. It wasn't playing the role of filler.

But overall, I enjoyed the novel and am satisfied with how the "fixes" to the Realms.

Oh, can't remember who said that the Underchasm was as big as Australia. But that's a little off. Based on the maps I've seen, the Underchasm is a little under 1000 miles long and about 500 wide.
Eltheron Posted - 08 Apr 2014 : 18:18:37
quote:
Originally posted by Mirtek

I wonder why Malik seemed to think he has failed in the end? To me it seems as if this time he really did it.

He murdered his most important target in the moment of her triumph, just like his main objective required. He didn't also score the bonus murders, but I think Cyric got most of what he wanted.

From Malik's point of view, he didn't complete all the murders required by Cyric. I think that's the main reason he felt he failed. The implication was that if Malik managed to murder everyone, then Cyric (somehow) would have triumphed in Shar's place. He didn't say how, but that's what I got from the Cyric-Malik interaction.

I mean, it was all just really blatantly obvious from the start that Malik would betray pretty much everyone. I think it could've been a lot better story-wise if Malik's motives had been less transparent. If the other characters had been more likeable, his constant grousing might've been played for a comical effect. But with Arietta being distant and haughty, Kleef being so very plain, and Joelle constantly charming people for "love" that was fake, they all just grated on my nerves.

quote:
And yet so effective. Who needs a mountains-to-dust-blasting archwizard as chosen when one like Malik in the end get's the jobs done (or at least comes as close as anyone else really)? Wisely chosen.

Absolutely very effective and wisely "Chosen" by Cyric.

I completely agree there. But still, Malik (and Cyric) are just not characters I enjoy. I really dislike them, and I don't want to read about them. I did because this was part of the Sundering, and I quite like stories involving Sune and Helm. But I'd never go out of my way to pick up a Cyric/Malik book.

quote:
Also seems Mystra's curse of truth telling is gone from him. I wonder whether it wasy Mystra's "death" or his own death that removed it.

I'd bet on it being more his own death and resurrection rather than anything involving Mystra. God-curses probably can outlast the deities that give them. It's not canon, but I'd point to the rebirthing/immortality of the original Amaunator's followers in the Baldur's Gate 2 game. They were still suffering for ages and ages after their patron deity's death. There are probably other examples, but atm I can't think of any.

quote:
That also seemed strange to me. As I thought I understood is he was still able to grant spells and send visions, but the manifestation he did during his talk with Malik was more physical than I expected him to be able.

Cyric's manifestation, particularly the granted magical weapon out of thin air, was way more physical than I'd have thought possible. I don't think we'll get a concrete answer on this, though, other than something about the Sundering (or maybe AO) broke his bonds.

quote:
Indeed. Gruumbar is the sole reason the shadowfell and the material plane are apart? Really?

And he does this as a side effect of staying around only because he has the hots for Luthic?

I mean with the whole Helm-Tyr-Tymora thing there is Cyric's involvement to explain the ridiculous behaviour, but in this case it's lacking even that.

If this plot point had been fleshed out in more detail, I probably would have enjoyed the book more. As it was, it creates a lot more questions that will be difficult to explain in a satisfying way.

Honestly, I wish Shar and the Netherese hadn't been involved at all. They just weren't used well. It would've been far more interesting to have a Chosen of Luthic involved and helping Joelle, and show different orc tribes working against each other. This book also could've better explored the angle of keeping the four "big" primordials on Toril.

quote:
This novel should have a huge impact on the future of the orc pantheon. Luthic betraying Gruumsh? What will Baghtru do? IIRC he was always a mummy's darling so he may side with her against his father. That could tear the entire pantheon apart

I agree. It really should have a huge impact on the Orc Pantheon. They could even use it to explain some of the civilizing activities of Many-Arrows and the social evolution of the northern orc tribes. I doubt that WotC will go in that direction, though. This just seemed rather random.
Eilserus Posted - 08 Apr 2014 : 13:57:38
Yder reminded me of Darth Vader in Empire Strikes Back in this novel. "That's it! The Rebels are there!"
Dennis Posted - 08 Apr 2014 : 06:41:02
quote:
Originally posted by Firestorm

quote:
Originally posted by Dennis


Did Malik and Ruha make an appearance?


Ill give you what you want Dennis.

Prince Yder Tanthul is a prominent character in this book, and the Most High makes an appearance you will enjoy.

Ill confess I did not enjoy Malik as much this book as previous books. But he was still Malik.

I am dying to read the Herald.

I have 2 reviews due after reread this and Night of the Hunter
Thanks. No other princes with significant novel time? Not particularly fond of Yder.
Wooly Rupert Posted - 08 Apr 2014 : 05:49:11
quote:
Originally posted by eeorey

Just starting with the book, I found something that bugs me A LOT.
I know that its a fantasy setting and all that, knowing that doesn't make it better. The country Shou-Lung was based on China, where as Wa and Kozakura on different time periods of Japan. So a man from Shou-Lung would NOT be carrying a "Shou" katana, those come from Japan/Wa/Kozakura. I know it is such a minor thing but it always bugs me when people mix up such things. I mean there are a LOT of different swords that were used in China in a lot of different and interesting ways, why does it need to be a katana every time ANY asian or in this case asian-like culture is displayed in fiction?



"Based on" and "identical to" are not the same thing. Just because the sword was invented in one place in the real world doesn't mean that it couldn't have been invented elsewhere in a fantasy setting.
eeorey Posted - 08 Apr 2014 : 05:37:55
Just starting with the book, I found something that bugs me A LOT.
I know that its a fantasy setting and all that, knowing that doesn't make it better. The country Shou-Lung was based on China, where as Wa and Kozakura on different time periods of Japan. So a man from Shou-Lung would NOT be carrying a "Shou" katana, those come from Japan/Wa/Kozakura. I know it is such a minor thing but it always bugs me when people mix up such things. I mean there are a LOT of different swords that were used in China in a lot of different and interesting ways, why does it need to be a katana every time ANY asian or in this case asian-like culture is displayed in fiction?
Mirtek Posted - 07 Apr 2014 : 21:59:49
I wonder why Malik seemed to think he has failed in the end? To me it seems as if this time he really did it.

He murdered his most important target in the moment of her triumph, just like his main objective required. He didn't also score the bonus murders, but I think Cyric got most of what he wanted.
quote:
Originally posted by Eltheron

a ridiculous, annoying, obsequious and irritating character
And yet so effective. Who needs a mountains-to-dust-blasting archwizard as chosen when one like Malik in the end get's the jobs done (or at least comes as close as anyone else really)? Wisely chosen.

Also seems Mystra's curse of truth telling is gone from him. I wonder whether it wasy Mystra's "death" or his own death that removed it.
quote:
Originally posted by Eltheron

Wasn't Cyric imprisoned? How does an imprisoned deity have the ability to manifest so fully in the Realms? I suppose the answer is "because" or "Sundering" which is the SAME flaw for every lore/plot element introduced for 4E.
That also seemed strange to me. As I thought I understood is he was still able to grant spells and send visions, but the manifestation he did during his talk with Malik was more physical than I expected him to be able.

quote:
Originally posted by Eltheron

I'll say it again: the plot here was really, really weak. For no particular reason, Shar will win and rise to dominance over all the gods unless the stolen artifact is taken to a pretty randomly located temple
Indeed. Gruumbar is the sole reason the shadowfell and the material plane are apart? Really?

And he does this as a side effect of staying around only because he has the hots for Luthic?

I mean with the whole Helm-Tyr-Tymora thing there is Cyric's involvement to explain the ridiculous behaviour, but in this case it's lacking even that.

This novel should have a huge impact on the future of the orc pantheon. Luthic betraying Gruumsh? What will Baghtru do? IIRC he was always a mummy's darling so he may side with her against his father. That could tear the entire pantheon apart
quote:
Originally posted by Lilianviaten

Malik's treatment really makes me wonder how it's possible that Cyric has so many followers. I understand how lawful evil gods like Bane can have many followers, because they reward you according to your level of success.
Well, by the random tantrums Bane threw in the Pools of [...] novels and randomly slaying his followers on Toril because he was in a bad mood, it seems he's not really better.

It seems to get the most out of your servitude to an evil deity is to be in the middle management. Powerful and successfull enough to gain some perks, but not too good to attract direct personal attention of your patron
Lilianviaten Posted - 07 Apr 2014 : 05:35:33
quote:
Originally posted by Gyor

More abuse by Cyric, Malik's fate no matter what happens really.

And while Romance is an element in the story, its not a romance novel no, its still mostly fighting, magic,and wierd stuff like other FR novels. This isn't a bounice ripper.



Malik's treatment really makes me wonder how it's possible that Cyric has so many followers. I understand how lawful evil gods like Bane can have many followers, because they reward you according to your level of success.

Chaotic evil gods seem to keep their followers in a constant state of terror, never knowing whether to expect reward or punishment. I guess that adrenaline junkies and mentally unhinged people are their main followers.
Eltheron Posted - 06 Apr 2014 : 17:49:43
quote:
Originally posted by Eilserus

quote:
Originally posted by Eltheron

The Underchasm was filling up with dirt and spewing some into the air, due to the combination of Yder's spell and the release of energy from the Eye, but I don't see any mention of a rift in the sky.



There it is. Someone got it. Underchasm = gone. I think out of all the geographical changes of 4E this was one of them that bothered me most.

So glad they fixed it! :)


I'm glad it's gone also. Odd thing, though: on maps, the Underchasm was HUGE. Like really immensely gigantic (like the size of Australia). But in the novel here, particularly with the weird bridge and minimal travel time, it seemed much smaller like a localized canyon.

Also - did I miss some kind of rift in the sky? I don't remember that at all, and briefly looked for it again this morning, but I couldn't find anything about a sky-rift.

@Irennan: I didn't see a blurb about a death goddess here. Then again, I only have the e-book version and there are differences sometimes from the paperback or hardback versions.
Irennan Posted - 06 Apr 2014 : 17:25:52
quote:
Originally posted by Eltheron

@Irennan: I think you're referring to the blurb that caused many people to wonder if Kiaransalee would be involved (or the Raven Queen). But there's no goddess of death in this novel. There are a couple mentions of Myrkul, but he's not an active god in this novel and he doesn't have any representatives until the very very end - and it's a minor character. The big players here are Shar, Cyric, Luthic, Grumbar (earth primordial), Gruumsh, and Sune. Helm and Siamorphe are also involved, but to a lesser degree. Only Cyric makes an actual appearance, has dialogue, and throws in a new powerful magic item.




Yes, I was referring to the blurb. Considering what you said, they should have changed it (or did they?), tho.

Thank you for the clarification.
Eilserus Posted - 06 Apr 2014 : 16:57:57
quote:
Originally posted by Eltheron

The Underchasm was filling up with dirt and spewing some into the air, due to the combination of Yder's spell and the release of energy from the Eye, but I don't see any mention of a rift in the sky.



There it is. Someone got it. Underchasm = gone. I think out of all the geographical changes of 4E this was one of them that bothered me most.

So glad they fixed it! :)
Eltheron Posted - 06 Apr 2014 : 16:42:27
Where did you get "burning rift in the sky"? The Underchasm was filling up with dirt and spewing some into the air, due to the combination of Yder's spell and the release of energy from the Eye, but I don't see any mention of a rift in the sky.

@charger_ss24: there's zero romance in this novel. Some wistful googly-eyes happen in a weird triangle of attraction (or quadrangle, if you include Malik), but much of it involves magical charming and isn't real. And a lesbi-sex interlude happens totally off page; there wasn't enough there to really call it love IMO. (and @Gyor, I think you meant "bodice ripper").

@Irennan: I think you're referring to the blurb that caused many people to wonder if Kiaransalee would be involved (or the Raven Queen). But there's no goddess of death in this novel. There are a couple mentions of Myrkul, but he's not an active god in this novel and he doesn't have any representatives until the very very end - and it's a minor character. The big players here are Shar, Cyric, Luthic, Grumbar (earth primordial), Gruumsh, and Sune. Helm and Siamorphe are also involved, but to a lesser degree. Only Cyric makes an actual appearance, has dialogue, and throws in a new powerful magic item.

I'll say it again: the plot here was really, really weak. For no particular reason, Shar will win and rise to dominance over all the gods unless the stolen artifact is taken to a pretty randomly located temple - which didn't even seem to be an active center for Grumbar's worship. The shadowvar chasing them didn't really have any "punch" and even get replaced as the most serious threat later in the book. There weren't any real "stakes" here. Additionally, the whole "Sune's required sacrifice" didn't seem to fit Sune at all, and absolutely zero time was spent developing the lesbi-relationship anyway. For 90% of the book, the focus is on Joelle and Kleef - then very suddenly out of nowhere it's about the two women.

Then with the random elements, such as the goat, the wall-trapped, and the undying young priestess, the whole thing just fell flat for me. This was a novel where WotC required certain things to happen, and the narrative was entirely built on this laundry list IMO. The characters weren't interesting, they were just a backdrop for the laundry list. I'm sorry if people disagree, but this wasn't at all a compelling adventure story IMO. I found Arietta annoying the entire time, Joelle kept charming everyone magically in order to manipulate them, Malik was just awful and constantly irritating, and Kleef was just a plain boring fighter with a big weapon.
Gyor Posted - 06 Apr 2014 : 04:37:14
Oh and it seems clear that what they saw at the end of the Reaver was the burning rift in the sky that represents the Sundering of Abier and Toril.
Gyor Posted - 06 Apr 2014 : 04:24:06
More abuse by Cyric, Malik's fate no matter what happens really.

And while Romance is an element in the story, its not a romance novel no, its still mostly fighting, magic,and wierd stuff like other FR novels. This isn't a bounice ripper.
CorellonsDevout Posted - 05 Apr 2014 : 21:02:34
I just finished the novel a few minutes ago. I had also expected it to be thicker, and the ending felt a bit anti-climatic and rushed to me, but all in all it was a good read. For as complicated as the Sundering is, I think the last couple novels have been fairly simple, and I think the event could use more than six novels.

There were hints that Myth Drannor was under siege, which makes me anxious for the Herald. I know a lot of people weren't happy about the return of Myth Drannor, as if offered a great adventure sight, but I hoped this isn't another attempt at a retcon where they destroy Myth Drannor again.

I wish the book had gone a little more into the romance between Joelle and Arietta, but I guess that is still "forbidden territory", so I applaud Denning for putting it in there at all.

At first I thought the "wallbound" was a reflection of the Wall of the Faithless, but I later learned of course that it was due to Sadrach's anger. Still, since Gringrid or whatever her name was, was a follower of Myrkul, it made me wonder if there was some sort of parallel.

All in all, I liked it, though I had hoped for a little more complexity. A sequel would sure be nice! What happens to Malik now?
charger_ss24 Posted - 05 Apr 2014 : 15:53:44
quote:
Originally posted by Gyor

I really liked this novel.

The characters were interesting, especially Peox, that biazzare confusing goat.

Iwill say that I knew it would be Joelle who would sacrifice herself, really no matter what the others thought it could be no other who could sacrifice themselves then the Chosen of Sune for love. It wouldn't have made sense.

That being said the fact that the guy ended up getting the girl where the girl interested in her ended up dead will likely bother some lesbians as literture over the years has often had the lesbian on the losing end of the stick when competing over the affections from a woman when the other person is a man.

Still Kendrick didn't exactly win, he just survived and Joelle will always be the one who died for Arretta so when her love for Keef grows cold because he farts to much in his sleep her love for Joelle will be eternal as only tradgic loves can be.



Is this a romance novel? Because if it is, I'm saving my time and money.
Firestorm Posted - 05 Apr 2014 : 02:10:08
quote:
Originally posted by Dennis


Did Malik and Ruha make an appearance?


Ill give you what you want Dennis.

Prince Yder Tanthul is a prominent character in this book, and the Most High makes an appearance you will enjoy.

Ill confess I did not enjoy Malik as much this book as previous books. But he was still Malik.

I am dying to read the Herald.

I have 2 reviews due after reread this and Night of the Hunter
Irennan Posted - 04 Apr 2014 : 21:53:20
If I may ask, what's up with ''thwarting the rise of the Goddess of Death''? Is it Shar who tries to get that area of influence, or someone else?
Eilserus Posted - 04 Apr 2014 : 21:47:34
I liked this novel myself too. And what makes it THE AWESOME is what happened in the last few pages of the novel or maybe it was the last page. I forget at the moment. I can't believe nobody has said anything about THAT yet. ;)

I bet Markustay will be quite happy!
Gyor Posted - 04 Apr 2014 : 20:05:38
Goodreads gives the novel 4.55 out of 5 a very good grade.
Gyor Posted - 04 Apr 2014 : 19:43:41
The Sundering clearly broke Cyric's prison, I expected this would happen.

And I love Malik, he is my favourite Troy character.

And the reason Joelle fell for Arrietta was that she's the type to fall in love with those she takes care of and protect, which is why Malik lashed out at Arrietta, because he and Cyric knew Joelle would come to Arietta defence and be protective and kind and that would create a bond.

I admit the Joelle and Arietta could have used more development, but you'll notice Troy didn't have the space that the other Authors did. Honestly this is another book that should have been a trilogy, so that the relations between the characters could have been fully developed. I liked Joelle and it would have been nice for her to have had more time and space to develop her and Arietta and Keef.

I really like how this book is about more then companions on an Adventure, I mean thier is that, but thier is romance, but also an exploration of class issues which most FR authors don't try and explore. I like that. I wish more FR authors were willing to explore social issues.

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