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Beirnadri Magranth Posted - 14 Apr 2006 : 18:48:15
I went through the FR products I have and made a list of wizards that had spells named after them. There are 37 that I found compared to the 13 in the PHB. I wondered if there was any lore available on these wizards... just out of curiosity.

the more famous ones that i know have extensive lore written about them are:

  • Laeral
  • Khelben
  • Elminster
  • Srinshee
  • Simbul



the ones i dnt really know anything about are....


  • Nybor
  • Horizikaul
  • Shelgarn
  • Kaupaer
  • Igedrazzar
  • Aganazzar
  • Gedlee
  • Snilloc
  • Balagarn
  • Mestil
  • Tirumael
  • Darsson
  • Ghorus Toth
  • Grimwald
  • Lutzaen
  • Zajimarn
  • Alamanther
  • Kyristan
  • Mycontil
  • Theskyn
  • Nezram
  • Sakkratar
  • Shalantha
  • Nchaser
  • Ilykur
  • Caligarde
  • Sinsabur
  • Presper
  • Beltyn




as an aside what happened to the amazing spell Larloch's minor drain?
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Steven Schend Posted - 23 Apr 2006 : 22:24:33
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by Steven Schend

quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Well said, George! Your words deserve to be shouted by heralds from battlements! Thank you!
I'd thank you personally and properly, but Ed tells me you're very happily married.
love,
THO
A Real-World Postscript: "Snilloc" is the creation of TSR and now WotC staffer Andy Collins (read the name backwards).



Not to disagree with THO, but Snilloc long predates Andy Collins' involvement in gaming and the Realms. I believe there was a Mr. Dave Collins who was a long-time friend of Jeff Grubb. Dave owned a house on Lake Geneva and 'twas this Collins who generated the snowball spells that shared his wizard's name of Snilloc (way back in FR Adventures might've been the first appearance).

Steven
Who feels like a dinosaur of gaming but can attest that he's met Mr. Dave Collins



Did he also come up with Snilloc's Cream Pie? 'Twas mentioned in that same spell entry, and later used by Danilo Thann ("Dessert was, of course, on them.").



Ayup.

The joke was all Elaine, though.

SES
ode904 Posted - 22 Apr 2006 : 22:14:36
First five you wrote were of course known to me, but I have heard perhaps of one third of those names in the long list...
Wooly Rupert Posted - 19 Apr 2006 : 02:59:31
quote:
Originally posted by Steven Schend

quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Well said, George! Your words deserve to be shouted by heralds from battlements! Thank you!
I'd thank you personally and properly, but Ed tells me you're very happily married.
love,
THO
A Real-World Postscript: "Snilloc" is the creation of TSR and now WotC staffer Andy Collins (read the name backwards).



Not to disagree with THO, but Snilloc long predates Andy Collins' involvement in gaming and the Realms. I believe there was a Mr. Dave Collins who was a long-time friend of Jeff Grubb. Dave owned a house on Lake Geneva and 'twas this Collins who generated the snowball spells that shared his wizard's name of Snilloc (way back in FR Adventures might've been the first appearance).

Steven
Who feels like a dinosaur of gaming but can attest that he's met Mr. Dave Collins



Did he also come up with Snilloc's Cream Pie? 'Twas mentioned in that same spell entry, and later used by Danilo Thann ("Dessert was, of course, on them.").
Beirnadri Magranth Posted - 19 Apr 2006 : 02:05:25
haha interesting to both Arivia and Steven
Steven Schend Posted - 19 Apr 2006 : 01:55:36
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Well said, George! Your words deserve to be shouted by heralds from battlements! Thank you!
I'd thank you personally and properly, but Ed tells me you're very happily married.
love,
THO
A Real-World Postscript: "Snilloc" is the creation of TSR and now WotC staffer Andy Collins (read the name backwards).



Not to disagree with THO, but Snilloc long predates Andy Collins' involvement in gaming and the Realms. I believe there was a Mr. Dave Collins who was a long-time friend of Jeff Grubb. Dave owned a house on Lake Geneva and 'twas this Collins who generated the snowball spells that shared his wizard's name of Snilloc (way back in FR Adventures might've been the first appearance).

Steven
Who feels like a dinosaur of gaming but can attest that he's met Mr. Dave Collins
Arivia Posted - 18 Apr 2006 : 22:18:32
*watches Jamallo Kreen run right into and bounce off a powerful wall of NDA spell*
Jamallo Kreen Posted - 18 Apr 2006 : 21:51:06
quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos

Ahhh, Agannazar of the Covenant. A guy near and dear to my heart. I've posted this before, but here is an Ed and Eric-assisted history of the mage cabal which contains some info on this fellow:

(snip)

Hope this has been useful.

-- George Krashos




Useful? Blimey, George, I should say so! One of my players happened to mention Agannazar just two days ago, and here you have unfolded his c.v. for me. Bravo!

Now ... how's about further info on Presper and Grimwald, please? The impression I have received from LEoF is that the desertion of the perfiidious elves doomed Phalorm. It would be beneficial to learn more of the wizards who supported it.

Jamallo Kreen Posted - 18 Apr 2006 : 21:38:39
quote:
Originally posted by The Demonbinder

Snilloc was a creation of Andy Collins (or so I have been told), and therefore one guess as to where the name came from...



Did he come from the same place as the hordes of Trebors and Nybors who infest the multiverse?
Thauramarth Posted - 18 Apr 2006 : 20:34:04
quote:
Originally posted by Beirnadri Magranth

for someone who i havent seen around really (bc youre sorta newish), thauramarth, you sure can find some useful tidbits!



Ah, always lurking below the surface in Candlekeep, but in the Realms since 1988 :-) . The good old times, the Grey Box, the thrill of reading "Spellfire" for the first time.

Damn, I'm old
The Sage Posted - 18 Apr 2006 : 13:19:14
Actually, THO just said that...

quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

A Real-World Postscript: "Snilloc" is the creation of TSR and now WotC staffer Andy Collins (read the name backwards).

The Demonbinder Posted - 18 Apr 2006 : 08:56:13
Snilloc was a creation of Andy Collins (or so I have been told), and therefore one guess as to where the name came from...
Beirnadri Magranth Posted - 17 Apr 2006 : 20:13:17
for someone who i havent seen around really (bc youre sorta newish), thauramarth, you sure can find some useful tidbits!
Thauramarth Posted - 17 Apr 2006 : 19:30:52
quote:
Originally posted by Thauramarth

quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos

Nybor: Mage of Thay obviously. No lore references to him specifically other than his spells.




There's a small article on the Wizards' Website by Sean K. Reynolds. It details a few spells by Nybor, and gives some history (including date of demise). Also, interestingly, Nybor appears to be / have been a "she" .




My mistake - I forgot to include the link : http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/mb/20041215a . Sorry.

I forgot the link: http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/mb/20041215a . Oops.
Thauramarth Posted - 17 Apr 2006 : 19:29:18
quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos

Nybor: Mage of Thay obviously. No lore references to him specifically other than his spells.




There's a small article on the Wizards' Website by Sean K. Reynolds. It details a few spells by Nybor, and gives some history (including date of demise). Also, interestingly, Nybor appears to be / have been a "she" .
Thauramarth Posted - 17 Apr 2006 : 19:24:32
If you are looking into older (2nd edition) material, Kyristan was originally featured (although only by reference) in the somewhat quirky solo-adventure HHQ2 - Wizard's Challenge (available from Paizo as a download). Darsson was created as the offspring of another of the mages featured in the module, Dar Malson. It's not Realms material, strictly speaking, but it may add some flavor.
EytanBernstein Posted - 17 Apr 2006 : 06:25:20
quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos

quote:
Originally posted by EytanBernstein

This is a really fascinating topic. If ever given the opportunity (and for an appropriate subject), I'd want to explore this further.



As a designer of FR products, you are fortunate to be in the unique position that you can take these one-off references and do more with them, adding meat to the bones as it were. Next FR project you get, you may consider delving into these barebones references that are scattered throughout a hundred products (if you need a few, feel free to drop me a line) and having some fun with them. Of course, IMHO, the very best FR writers also add some more of these 'throwaway' liitle bits of realmslore in their writings also. It's like tending a forest. For every tree you cut down, three should be planted.

-- George Krashos




Well, nothing is in the works at the moment that would allow me to make use of that, but if anything down the line should arise, I'll definitely think about it.

I always try to find small throwaway lines, especially ones with interesting potential, and expand on them. To me, it's much easier to explore something with little detail than to try and expand on the superb jobs done by others (though of course, I have to do both).
The Sage Posted - 17 Apr 2006 : 02:39:51
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by Beirnadri Magranth

oh hmm i didnt even know about that accesory... shalantha isnt one of the seven sisters is she? im so bad on lore about the chosen etc.



Nope. The Seven Sisters are Laeral, Alustriel, Dove Falconhand, Storm Silverhand, the Simbul, Syluné, and Qilué Veladorn.

And you can find a PDF version of the sourcebook at paizo.com for just $4 US. I recall nobleknight.com offering a printed version as well, though I can't remember the asking price...
Wooly Rupert Posted - 17 Apr 2006 : 02:33:58
quote:
Originally posted by Beirnadri Magranth

oh hmm i didnt even know about that accesory... shalantha isnt one of the seven sisters is she? im so bad on lore about the chosen etc.



Nope. The Seven Sisters are Laeral, Alustriel, Dove Falconhand, Storm Silverhand, the Simbul, Syluné, and Qilué Veladorn.
Beirnadri Magranth Posted - 17 Apr 2006 : 01:56:47
omg!!!! no way! hahahaha i had figured out by myself last year that drawmij's instant summons was jim ward backwrads... with a name like snillo we really shoudl have known haha
<3 THO
The Hooded One Posted - 17 Apr 2006 : 01:46:05
Well said, George! Your words deserve to be shouted by heralds from battlements! Thank you!
I'd thank you personally and properly, but Ed tells me you're very happily married.
love,
THO
A Real-World Postscript: "Snilloc" is the creation of TSR and now WotC staffer Andy Collins (read the name backwards).
George Krashos Posted - 17 Apr 2006 : 01:31:34
quote:
Originally posted by EytanBernstein

This is a really fascinating topic. If ever given the opportunity (and for an appropriate subject), I'd want to explore this further.



As a designer of FR products, you are fortunate to be in the unique position that you can take these one-off references and do more with them, adding meat to the bones as it were. Next FR project you get, you may consider delving into these barebones references that are scattered throughout a hundred products (if you need a few, feel free to drop me a line) and having some fun with them. Of course, IMHO, the very best FR writers also add some more of these 'throwaway' liitle bits of realmslore in their writings also. It's like tending a forest. For every tree you cut down, three should be planted.

-- George Krashos
Beirnadri Magranth Posted - 17 Apr 2006 : 01:29:59
oh hmm i didnt even know about that accesory... shalantha isnt one of the seven sisters is she? im so bad on lore about the chosen etc.
George Krashos Posted - 17 Apr 2006 : 01:27:46
Oh, and for another tidbit on Shalantha, see her spell "Shalantha's Kiss" in the 'Seven Sisters' accessory.

-- George Krashos
Beirnadri Magranth Posted - 17 Apr 2006 : 00:16:38
i think it woudl be fun to make histories for some of them, at least igedrazzar and Zajimarn... maybe horizikaul and tirumael as well
EytanBernstein Posted - 16 Apr 2006 : 22:28:10
This is a really fascinating topic. If ever given the opportunity (and for an appropriate subject), I'd want to explore this further.

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