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| Fletcher |
Posted - 13 Dec 2005 : 16:28:49
Ok, I have a character in my game who wants to start up a seriously militant order of Oghma. Made up of devout followers of Oghma who are not the brightest, but are good with their hands.
Primarily Warrior, Fighter, Marshal, and Monk like classes. Anyone who wishes may apply certainly, but we left the session without coming up with a good name.
The purpose of the militant order is to
1 Support the church of Oghma, particularly the Leaves of Learning.
2 Seek out lost knowledge in dangerous locations, allowing scribes to examine locations in safety.
3 Recover lost artifacts taken from the Church of Oghma
4 Seek out an destroy those who seek to destroy knowledge
5 Defeat all enemies of the church of Oghma
6 Be a popular force for good and Oghma
7 Spread Oghma's beliefs
8 Add to the sum of knowledge at the churches disposal
9 Write a few good sonnets, poems, and sagas.
10 Be a strong defensive force for the church of Oghma and its accumulated knowledge.
Any suggestions for a cool name for a bunch of Oghma worshipers who's purpose is to solve the church's more...uh...physical issues.
Thugs of Oghma just doesn't seem to cover it.
Swords of Oghma
Shields of Ogma...
Oghma's Omnipotent army 
The one we came up with was and liked the most was Sacred Preservers. But we still weren't terribly happy with it. I was hoping for a few more suggestions on names, or goals. |
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| Asgetrion |
Posted - 22 Dec 2005 : 03:00:36
How about Knights of the Sacred Scroll? Personally I also liked the suggestion Knights of Knowledge  |
| Fletcher |
Posted - 20 Dec 2005 : 15:40:02
quote:
Originally posted by The Sage
Hmmm... I'm not sure about the "Sword" or "Blade" parts of the titles... but the rest sound okay.
I suppose the real question is, just how militant are these Knights of Oghma? If you can see them performing a large number of martial duties in their devotion to Oghma, then I would think the titles are appropriate. However, if they're going to be more bookish... and only sometimes need to face battle, then "Acolyte of the Sword" just really doesn't fit.
Looking at your points in the opening post... we can see a lot of "destroy", "force", and "defense" aspects, so taking this into consideration... the titles might be more relevant.
The primary purpose of the Knights of Knowledge is to be the martial arm. I'm sure we've all met people who weren't the brightest bulbs, or who's greatest contribution to a cause wasn't mental.
The group so far has tackled a tribe of fiendish orcs in order to bring some scribes to examine ancient carvings. The carvings turned out to be a rather well written prophecy that has already come to pass in the form of the Scar. But it was interesting to see it written in runic giant.
They escorted 3 scribes, and all of thier accompanying animals and gear, saftly into and out of the spider haunt woods to search for a rumored lost temple that, frustratingly, they were never able to find.
They have defeated servants of Shar, Bane and retrieved a relic of Oghma from the grasps of the cult of the dragon.
The knights fought saghuin under water for hours so that a scribe could examine a mystic seal off the south of Fellaren-Krae.
They aren't exactly the brainiest bunch, but they admire the persuit of knowledge, and revere Oghma for a variety of reasons. The priest, and the psychic warrior having seen the need, have been actively recruiting and training fighters, in an attempt to form the militant order. They have the marshal and the fighter doing much of the actual weapons training, and a scribe teaching the acolytes more cerebral topics.
The party consists of :
Psychic Warror 8 of Oghma Saved by the church, devout follower not too bright. Sees it as his personal duty to take any blow targeted at a scribe.
War Mage 8 of Halruaa who thinks these Oghma guys are a route to power and lost knowledge.
Rogue 7 Of Oghma "It isn't what you know, it is what who you know knows." Eventually desires to become a politician.
Cleric of Oghma 8 "OGHMA!!" After having met the psychic warrior, he taught him to read and write and the two have been close freinds ever since.
Marshal of Oghma 6 (NPC) "As we all know scribes tend to do poorly in melee.." Realizes that much of the lost knowledge is lost because it resides in locations that are very deadly.
Fighter of Oghma 7 (NPC) "My cousin is a scribe, I promised to look out for him."
Ranger 3 Rogue 6 Of Oghma (NPC) Middle aged seeker of knowledge.
I say again, these are not the most intellectually focused of individuals. The party of 5 has a combined INT of 57. The wizard (finally) has 18, you do the math. They are, how ever, quite proficient at eliminating danger to noncombatants. |
| Crennen FaerieBane |
Posted - 20 Dec 2005 : 14:40:12
The "Scrivners of Blood" is right out then?
Seriously, though, you could use something like "The Blade of Scrivning" or "The Sword of Knowledge" for a generic type title.
C-Fb |
| scererar |
Posted - 20 Dec 2005 : 02:07:24
I would also steer away from overly combative titles, I feel that more knowledged based, titles would be better suited. What if you had the general members of this sect use the more knowledged based titles with a grand priest or head figure of some sort, then have a smaller elite force of battling priests. I can see these priests being used as the heroes who brave the frontiers, to gather lost knowledge in a recently discovered ruin, with a reputed ancient library of magically preserved scrolls. these "elite" forces could be used for many types of special missions of this sort, all in the name the god fo knowledge. these guys could really use some of more battlefield orientated language within there titles. |
| The Sage |
Posted - 20 Dec 2005 : 00:26:13
Hmmm... I'm not sure about the "Sword" or "Blade" parts of the titles... but the rest sound okay.
I suppose the real question is, just how militant are these Knights of Oghma? If you can see them performing a large number of martial duties in their devotion to Oghma, then I would think the titles are appropriate. However, if they're going to be more bookish... and only sometimes need to face battle, then "Acolyte of the Sword" just really doesn't fit.
Looking at your points in the opening post... we can see a lot of "destroy", "force", and "defense" aspects, so taking this into consideration... the titles might be more relevant.
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| Fletcher |
Posted - 19 Dec 2005 : 15:56:49
What do you think of these as rank titles?
Acolyte of the sword
Seeker
Learned Blade
Loremarshal |
| Fletcher |
Posted - 19 Dec 2005 : 15:54:30
quote:
Originally posted by scererar
hey I was thinking of this on the way to work this morning. the knights of Knowledge, Which several posters have said was a good choice. Then as far as titles or ranks within the sect, use the titles or similar ones to what candlekeep uses here. it fits.
acolyte level 1
seeker level 2-3
learned scribe level 4-5
senior scribe level 6
great reader level 7
master of lore level 8-9
great reader level 10
did I miss any?
You could even flesh other details (a lot of them), change some titles, but it almost seems it's own PRC. I would almost tailor purple knight as a template, but of course modify everything to fit into the god of knowledge's realm of things.
might be silly, but I just wanted to get my thoughts out to everyone. feel free to rip it a new one, nicely of course.
Interesting idea...tailor a specific PRC. I really hadn't thought of it. I don't know why, there seems to be a PRC for everything else. Perhaps a 3 level PRC...
Requirements: Knowledge Religion (+5)
BAB +5
Must be of Good Alignment.
Saves as fighter
BAB as fighter
1st: Gain Gather information as class skill, Bardic Knowledge
2nd: +2 Diplomacy, Bonus fighter feat
3rd: (ideas anyone?)
Bardic knowledge is based upon your Knight of Oghma class level + Wisdom Modifier. If a character already has Bardic Knowledge relevan class levels stack, and choose highest stat modifier.
(Characters will never have a great deal of Bardic Knowledge, but there is a small chance that they can get a bit of info on just about anything.) |
| Fletcher |
Posted - 19 Dec 2005 : 15:41:09
quote:
Originally posted by Deverien Valandil
The Pages of Battle
(Look, a PUN! Mwah ha haa!)
 
Ouch. you made me snort my tea up my nose! |
| Deverien Valandil |
Posted - 17 Dec 2005 : 06:39:30
The Pages of Battle
(Look, a PUN! Mwah ha haa!) |
| scererar |
Posted - 17 Dec 2005 : 04:13:07
oops, after I posted I saw the sage's post. didn't mean to copy you. I still think this could work and I like the sages idea of first reader, instead of great reader. |
| scererar |
Posted - 17 Dec 2005 : 04:08:53
hey I was thinking of this on the way to work this morning. the knights of Knowledge, Which several posters have said was a good choice. Then as far as titles or ranks within the sect, use the titles or similar ones to what candlekeep uses here. it fits.
acolyte level 1
seeker level 2-3
learned scribe level 4-5
senior scribe level 6
great reader level 7
master of lore level 8-9
great reader level 10
did I miss any?
You could even flesh other details (a lot of them), change some titles, but it almost seems it's own PRC. I would almost tailor purple knight as a template, but of course modify everything to fit into the god of knowledge's realm of things.
might be silly, but I just wanted to get my thoughts out to everyone. feel free to rip it a new one, nicely of course. |
| The Sage |
Posted - 15 Dec 2005 : 23:36:06
How about following a derivative of the ranking system used here at Candlekeep and codified by Ed:-
First Acolyte
Second Acolyte
Seeker of Lore
First Learned Scribe
First Senior Scribe
Master of Lore
First Reader
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| Fletcher |
Posted - 15 Dec 2005 : 22:14:02
Knight of the Pen
Sword of the Book
Captain of the Word
Marshal of Lore
Any other thoughts on Ranks for the Holy Order in Service to the Father of All Knowledge? A.K.A. the Knights of Knowledge? |
| sleyvas |
Posted - 15 Dec 2005 : 21:10:36
The Mighty Bookflingers of Candlekeep
The Omniscient Order of the Fabled Libram |
| Bluenose |
Posted - 15 Dec 2005 : 16:44:15
quote:
Originally posted by Fletcher
quote:
Originally posted by The Sage
* Knights of the Holy Book
* Disciples of the Word (although that would probably be a better order name for servants of Deneir)
* Divine Servants of the Father of All Knowledge
* Holy Scribes of the Most Glorious Oghma
* Loremaster-Knights of Oghma
knights of the holy book rings very Catholic Knights Templar...not quite what i was after.
Ooooh! Loremaster-Knights of Oghma! I like it!
Thanks for all the ideas everyone!
Another long title for your group:
The Militant and Erudite Order of the Book
You also wanted titles and organisation for your group. This will depend to a large extent on what they will be doing, and on how hierarchical they want to be. It would be perfectly possible to get by with a small number of ranks, especially if you want a relatively egalitarian organisation. Or you could give every position it's own specific title, which with a group of 100 people would be possible, that described both their duties and their responsibilities. Or you could even invent titles that have no meaning except to other members of the group and which outsiders would find totally incomprehensible. The "Grandiose Imperial Wyvern" does have a history 
That said, here are a few titles that could make up a short hierarchy.
Knight of the Pen
Sword of the Book
Captain of the Word
Marshal of Lore
That's from lowest to highest in rank. I used Sword, but that's only because I can't remember Oghma's favoured weapon; if it is something else you'd probably want to use that. |
| scererar |
Posted - 15 Dec 2005 : 02:48:06
My first thought on this was The Knights of Knowledge, but Kentinal beat me to it. |
| khorne |
Posted - 14 Dec 2005 : 21:55:27
How about........the lethal ink. Everyone would underestimate them. |
| Fletcher |
Posted - 14 Dec 2005 : 18:35:30
quote:
Originally posted by CrennenFaerieBane
quote:
Originally posted by Dhomal
Hello-
How about "The Mighty Quills"?
KInda thinking along the lines of "The Pen is Mightier than the Sword" sort of thought.
Dhomal
When I read that, all I could think of was "The Mighty Ducks."
Needless to say, how about "The Tenants of the Written Word."
C-Fb
And i hate to say it, but not only did I also think "The Mighty Ducks" but I even saw them running around the realms on magical skates wearing hockey gear, beating the puck out of their enemies.
The peanut gallery may now groan. |
| Fletcher |
Posted - 14 Dec 2005 : 18:33:26
quote:
Originally posted by The Sage
* Knights of the Holy Book
* Disciples of the Word (although that would probably be a better order name for servants of Deneir)
* Divine Servants of the Father of All Knowledge
* Holy Scribes of the Most Glorious Oghma
* Loremaster-Knights of Oghma
knights of the holy book rings very Catholic Knights Templar...not quite what i was after.
Ooooh! Loremaster-Knights of Oghma! I like it!
Thanks for all the ideas everyone!
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| Crennen FaerieBane |
Posted - 14 Dec 2005 : 14:47:31
quote:
Originally posted by Dhomal
Hello-
How about "The Mighty Quills"?
KInda thinking along the lines of "The Pen is Mightier than the Sword" sort of thought.
Dhomal
When I read that, all I could think of was "The Mighty Ducks."
Needless to say, how about "The Tenants of the Written Word."
C-Fb |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 14 Dec 2005 : 06:00:01
quote:
Originally posted by Dhomal
KInda thinking along the lines of "The Pen is Mightier than the Sword" sort of thought.
You know, I once grabbed a sword and handed a friend a pen, wanting to test that theory. Oddly enough, he declined.   |
| Dhomal |
Posted - 14 Dec 2005 : 05:40:40
Hello-
How about "The Mighty Quills"?
KInda thinking along the lines of "The Pen is Mightier than the Sword" sort of thought.
Dhomal |
| The Sage |
Posted - 14 Dec 2005 : 00:22:35
* Knights of the Holy Book
* Disciples of the Word (although that would probably be a better order name for servants of Deneir)
* Divine Servants of the Father of All Knowledge
* Holy Scribes of the Most Glorious Oghma
* Loremaster-Knights of Oghma
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| Beirnadri Magranth |
Posted - 13 Dec 2005 : 19:47:45
hmm i like the long names
Preservers of the texts
a page
the valiants of the parchments etc. could be titles |
| Fletcher |
Posted - 13 Dec 2005 : 19:36:51
I too like the Knights of Knowledge.
But I also like Aelf's idea of having a longer title for the order. Does anyone have any suggestions for a nice long title for the Knights of Knowledge?
And while we are at it...any ideas on titles and ranks for the order? I'm thinking it will always be a small order, perhaps under 100 devotees.
I think a council of up to 10 persons, each with up to 9 persons under each council member. Keep the organisation simple.
perhaps two dozen people around to help with the cooking, cleaning, purchasing of supplies repair etc.
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| Faramicos |
Posted - 13 Dec 2005 : 18:44:09
I like Knights of Knowledge... Have a nice ring to it. My vote goes for that one. |
| Aelf |
Posted - 13 Dec 2005 : 17:36:08
One idea, two parts:
I would suggest a longish 'official name' for the order. This is the name the church heirarchy chose when the order was commissioned.
Then, a more fluid common name that most everyone uses.
For this I think "Oghman Knights" works well.
As an inspiration for the first name, "Holy Knights of the Order of the Oghman Quill" approaches what I was thinking.
Best regards from your friendly neighborhood bard,
Aelf
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| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 13 Dec 2005 : 17:15:40
Knights (or Order) of the Quill? |
| Kentinal |
Posted - 13 Dec 2005 : 17:01:07
Well the Companions of the Silver Strings appear to be the most agressive (though limited to bards), the other orders are Children of the Passive Voice (an order of learned monks whose members protect many libraries and abbeys), Order of the Gilt Laurel (fiction authors), Fellowship of the Forest (tree huggers, *wink*, a naturalist society).
Perhaps:
Knights of Knowledge
Order of the Book
Swords of Knowledge
Blades of Wisdom |
