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| Prince Forge of Avalon |
Posted - 18 Mar 2004 : 08:06:15
Hear Yee, Hear Yee
My campaign is going to invlove the High Forest in depth, so I've started this thread in the hopes of gaining more lore regarding the forest and its many mysteries,
so first lets chat about the GF Tree, Now I have all the WOTC Mintipers Chapbooks, has anyone ever stated the GF Tree and the Treeghosts it can produce?
Thank you in advance for your input.
PFoA |
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| Wrigley |
Posted - 01 Sep 2016 : 22:03:40
It would be a blast to see a almost-official take on High Forest "the old way". If Eric could finish it some day it would be a very bright day indeed.
For GF Tree I woud say he is either sleeping or doing some other activity that needs his focus. That is why he do not respond to his surroundings (and few holes in it's body). |
| Gary Dallison |
Posted - 01 Sep 2016 : 20:43:13
Well reading between the lines it seems that Eric's work may see the light of day. But not now because its not finished and Eric is busy with other things that life throw his way.
I'm happy to wait and I wish Eric well in the hopes that one day the work sees the light of day. |
| Cards77 |
Posted - 01 Sep 2016 : 20:14:53
quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos
quote:
Originally posted by Cards77
I think you grognards are sitting on a virtual goldmine of FR lore. Even though it's 3.5e there is a huge following here that would pay dearly to read what you've all created!
For every "finished" piece of work on my HD, there are 5 or 6 unfinished pieces of work. In between juggling work and a family, the Realms gets the lion's share of my spare time, but Ed I am not. If I have something that I think can be shared, I share it. But in all seriousness, you have to understand that you are sharing stuff with a community of interested individuals that is far smaller than you think. It's not like you are feverishly working on the next Game of Thrones installment. Sometimes real life intervenes and things go on the back burner. Sometimes for a long, long time. That's what has happened here. None of us do this to make money and let me tell you as a resident of Adelaide, Australia, there is no fame involved in being a grognard/lorelord of the Realms! So we do what we can, how we can, when we can. The Realms has room for everyone. Create and build your own goldmine.
-- George Krashos
I try. I'm just not as good as you guys. It's also duplication of effort. I'll never have the mind or imaginations that you guys do. So I do what I can and rely on you grognards for the rest!
I create in the hopes that someone else can enjoy what I've made. Not just to keep it for myself. |
| George Krashos |
Posted - 01 Sep 2016 : 00:59:18
quote:
Originally posted by Cards77
I think you grognards are sitting on a virtual goldmine of FR lore. Even though it's 3.5e there is a huge following here that would pay dearly to read what you've all created!
For every "finished" piece of work on my HD, there are 5 or 6 unfinished pieces of work. In between juggling work and a family, the Realms gets the lion's share of my spare time, but Ed I am not. If I have something that I think can be shared, I share it. But in all seriousness, you have to understand that you are sharing stuff with a community of interested individuals that is far smaller than you think. It's not like you are feverishly working on the next Game of Thrones installment. Sometimes real life intervenes and things go on the back burner. Sometimes for a long, long time. That's what has happened here. None of us do this to make money and let me tell you as a resident of Adelaide, Australia, there is no fame involved in being a grognard/lorelord of the Realms! So we do what we can, how we can, when we can. The Realms has room for everyone. Create and build your own goldmine.
-- George Krashos |
| Markustay |
Posted - 31 Aug 2016 : 19:08:40
quote:
Originally posted by Fellfire
What a freaking shame. I swear I recall Eric say he planned on sharing it here. Honestly, if he were to put it on the Guild, I think it would do better as 3.5. If the door for the product over at wotsee is closed, why not share it? I would never begrudge a man trying to make a buck off of his labors, but whats the harm?
I did work on both of his fan-products. Some of the first one - the Daggerford one - made it into a 4e product some time after he showed it around at Gencon 2012. Whether he was ever compensated for that I do not know (I KNOW the map was completely based off the one I did). THAT was that 'product' that he was planning on sharing, in one form or another. I believe it was right around that time when EG started to go his own route with his website, and there were some tentative plans to do some stuff over there (I believe Krash had a couple of articles there). That morphed into The Ed Greenwood Group, which was supposed to have a section for that sort of thing (non-cannon FR lore produced outside of WotC). The section was there for a time, with Krash's articles, and then the site was upgraded, and that stuff wasn't there anymore. It has been upgraded several more times since then, but since I've been banned from that site I couldn't tell you if that material is back. For whatever reason, AFAIK, Eric's amazing Daggerford material never made it onto that page.
The High Forest was ANOTHER product, significantly more ambitious (if that can even be imagined, if you've ever had the opportunity to see the Daggerford one), and that tied together a LOT of loose-ends, with input from such other luminaries as EG and Steven Schend (he fielded a couple of questions we had for him about the High Moor - YES, it get THAT broad). And, of course, with lots of help from George Krashos (who all the 'greats' go to for his timeline of the North). The last I seen of it, it was HUGE, and still a 'work in progress'. He and I mapped-out 12 additional projects moving forward, encompassing the entirety of the Western Realms, right up to the border of Amn. For whatever reason, we never got back to that.
From what I recall, there was never any plan to share that - it was a work of love, between 'old school' designers, to perfect the old Realms that they loved so dearly. He actually started it because his home campaign for his kids went from the Daggerford area into the High Forest, and thats what it seems to remain - his home campaign. I feel blessed to have been a part of all that.
Now, here's the problem, as I see it (thus, this is opinion). The released Daggerford product was a hack-job on the one Eric did, to shoe-horn it into the 4e realms, and it was missing about 90% of what made that labor-of-love so amazing (all the background/history). Imagine getting a Filet Mignon cooked by Gordon Ramsey, and someone throws it into a grinder, makes a hamburger out of it, and smothers it in ketchup. That would be a crime, would it not? Yeah... kinda like that.
Thus, AFAIK, unlike the Daggerford product, the High Forest was never communally shared (beyond the very few people who helped with it). I don't know this for a fact, but my best guess is that he just doesn't want any more of his masterpieces turned into fast-food hamburger. |
| Cards77 |
Posted - 31 Aug 2016 : 15:45:53
quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos
I doubt it will ever see the light of day now. Although you never know. It was not totally finished (the last version I saw at least) and was in 3.5E so would need a lot more work to be DMs Guild publishable. I wouldn't hold out any great hope.
-- George Krashos
I agree with Fellfire. There is nothing to lose by putting it on the DM Guild for a reasonable price. I'll just come right out and say that I'd pay upwards of $50 even if it's not the same production quality or size as a hardback sourcebook.
I just love his work and I would pay alot for the content alone, even if it's all walls of text.
I think you grognards are sitting on a virtual goldmine of FR lore. Even though it's 3.5e there is a huge following here that would pay dearly to read what you've all created!
3.5e can be put on the guild. There is no mandate that it be 4th or 5th edition merely because of the setting. From what I'm seeing on the Guild overall there is a still a very strong preference for the 3.5e materials. |
| Fellfire |
Posted - 31 Aug 2016 : 07:34:13
quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos
I doubt it will ever see the light of day now. Although you never know. It was not totally finished (the last version I saw at least) and was in 3.5E so would need a lot more work to be DMs Guild publishable. I wouldn't hold out any great hope.
-- George Krashos
What a freaking shame. I swear I recall Eric say he planned on sharing it here. Honestly, if he were to put it on the Guild, I think it would do better as 3.5. If the door for the product over at wotsee is closed, why not share it? I would never begrudge a man trying to make a buck off of his labors, but whats the harm? |
| Gary Dallison |
Posted - 30 Aug 2016 : 08:22:44
3.5 edition is still by far the best for me. I just cant get into this 5e game. I think i might just stick to my own version of the 3.5 rules and ignore the dms guild altoghether (the number of downloads just arent that big). |
| George Krashos |
Posted - 30 Aug 2016 : 03:54:04
I doubt it will ever see the light of day now. Although you never know. It was not totally finished (the last version I saw at least) and was in 3.5E so would need a lot more work to be DMs Guild publishable. I wouldn't hold out any great hope.
-- George Krashos |
| Cards77 |
Posted - 30 Aug 2016 : 01:25:29
Can this "High Forest" product be released on DM's Guild? My lord I would give just about anything to see what's in it, I'd pay any price asked. |
| Fellfire |
Posted - 29 Aug 2016 : 18:34:44
Turlang the Thoughtful |
| Gary Dallison |
Posted - 29 Aug 2016 : 18:10:33
Well id keep the arakhora dormant until it is threatened or awoken by one that knows how.
Given that an abyssal portal in its bowels did not awaken it id guess that very little can threaten this creature. Perhaps the forces of hellgate keep in its heydey could have done so. Perhaps the fall of sharrven did awaken it.
As for who could purposefully awaken it now. Id go for the treant in the highforest whose name i have foolishly forgotten. Consider it an ace up his sleeve when humanoids and demons think they can tame or defile the forest. |
| Barastir |
Posted - 28 Aug 2016 : 01:12:40
quote:
Originally posted by Lumenbeing
Turns out it "isn't self-aware." Doesn't that go against the established lore that Grandfather Tree is an Arakhora?
When an Arakhora turns dormant is it permanent? I think it means it turns into a kind of tree, who isn't self-aware, no? Maybe it can wake up later, but it is not aware in its dormant state. |
| Gary Dallison |
Posted - 27 Aug 2016 : 15:39:51
I still wish George and Eric and Ed and Steven and the other greats would give us their realms.
I know its not going to happen because itd cost a fortune to get off the ground and might never work.
But first we need to let wizbro let the realms die so it can be reborn. That is before they kill it and disintegrate the remains and then cast wish so it can never be reincarnated.
Im going to work on my own rules and my own version of the realms in the hopes that one day wizbro screw up and forget to hire Ed to make that novel a year. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 27 Aug 2016 : 15:26:14
quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos
And that's why my Realms goes to 1385 DR. I flick through every new product and am uninspired. I find better inspiration in my own noggin'.
-- George Krashos
There are nuggets here and there, but I otherwise agree. 3E is the cutoff point for me -- there was some good stuff in 3E, but there was also stuff I didn't like. |
| Arivia |
Posted - 27 Aug 2016 : 14:13:03
quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos
And that's why my Realms goes to 1385 DR. I flick through every new product and am uninspired. I find better inspiration in my own noggin'.
-- George Krashos
Pretty much agreed, George. I'm taking that notion floating around here of our own Realms and our own canon to heart; I'm using some post 3e-stuff these days, but not much. My last straw for taking the 5e Realms "straight" was marrying Araumycos off to Zuggtmoy. Ugh.  |
| George Krashos |
Posted - 27 Aug 2016 : 13:30:39
And that's why my Realms goes to 1385 DR. I flick through every new product and am uninspired. I find better inspiration in my own noggin'.
-- George Krashos |
| Gary Dallison |
Posted - 27 Aug 2016 : 08:47:28
Well i dont really have much use for any lore after 3rd edition. Im sure im not the only one either.
For me the grandfather tree is an arakhora, set down to guard the evils of vyshaantar. That is until i come up with something myself that i like better, but i cant see that ever happening. The arakhora is an inspired idea that perfectly explains what the grandfather tree is and which fits in perfectly with the character and history of the region.
WoTC can keep their cult of kewl. I prefer my realms to have a bit more depth. |
| Lumenbeing |
Posted - 27 Aug 2016 : 08:18:34
The Grandfather Tree has now been officially statted. Storm King's Thunder has it on page 86. I have to say, I'm kind of underwhelmed. I won't quote all the stats, but one part certainly raised my eyebrow. Turns out it "isn't self-aware." Doesn't that go against the established lore that Grandfather Tree is an Arakhora? |
| Markustay |
Posted - 18 Aug 2015 : 21:41:53
Nope - not NDA.
The High Forest is just a finished product that WotC seems to have no interest in publishing.
I can't imagine why - if they did it in a 'profit-sharing' model, and published it digitally, it would cost them nothing, and they stand to make quite a bit. Maybe its the need for artwork - thats always a major budget snafu in a project like this. I suppose if they could find an artist willing, it could be a three-way split. |
| Rils |
Posted - 18 Aug 2015 : 19:52:37
::WHACK::
Ah, the ever-present sound of someone running smack into the dreaded NDA-wall... :) |
| Markustay |
Posted - 18 Aug 2015 : 17:16:46
YES... but it hasn't been made public yet.
Here's to hoping it finds an avenue for release. |
| Rils |
Posted - 18 Aug 2015 : 16:35:58
Interesting that this came up, because I'm currently reading through that set and got to that section last night. That same comment about the dwarf hold caught my attention to! Is there any other info about it? |
| Markustay |
Posted - 14 Aug 2015 : 16:52:49
It may be the same place - I recall Eric waffling a bit on the name; he seemed not to care so much for the older, longer one (IIRC). |
| George Krashos |
Posted - 14 Aug 2015 : 05:59:27
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Originally posted by Duneth Despana
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Originally posted by Prince Forge of Avalon
OK, I knew if I looked long enough I would find it,
The North Boxed set Pg 55 under the Lost Peaks heading:
" a long dead dwarven hold lies undisturbed as it has for 12 centuries">"Whatever destroyed this place killed everyone unawares and instantly, as most of the skeletal dwarves....It is truly erie to walk through the halls, finding dwarven skeletal forms still hard at work long after death."
Does anybody know the name of said place etc?
PFoA
Morndinvuddrrin?
That hold is Rornfaern.
-- George Krashos |
| Duneth Despana |
Posted - 13 Aug 2015 : 00:57:21
quote:
Originally posted by Prince Forge of Avalon
OK, I knew if I looked long enough I would find it,
The North Boxed set Pg 55 under the Lost Peaks heading:
" a long dead dwarven hold lies undisturbed as it has for 12 centuries">"Whatever destroyed this place killed everyone unawares and instantly, as most of the skeletal dwarves....It is truly erie to walk through the halls, finding dwarven skeletal forms still hard at work long after death."
Does anybody know the name of said place etc?
PFoA
Morndinvuddrrin? |
| Alisttair |
Posted - 22 Feb 2011 : 12:59:37
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
You've read the Grandfather Tree article?
Just found at home that I have it printed out in a binder.  |
| Alisttair |
Posted - 22 Feb 2011 : 12:58:52
quote:
Originally posted by Markustay
There is an adventure, IIRC, in the old Savage Frontier suplement, and it had some maps pertaining to the Grandfather Tree on the inside cover (including a pic of the tree, which I tried to turn into a vector so I could use it as a map symbol... and the drawing was so complex my comp crashed). LOL
Yeah I made a photocopy of it as a handout for my PCs. Any idea how big it would be in squares? |
| Alisttair |
Posted - 22 Feb 2011 : 12:57:56
quote:
Originally posted by Markustay
There is an adventure, IIRC, in the old Savage Frontier suplement, and it had some maps pertaining to the Grandfather Tree on the inside cover (including a pic of the tree, which I tried to turn into a vector so I could use it as a map symbol... and the drawing was so complex my comp crashed). LOL
Yeah I made a photocopy of it as a handout for my PCs. Any idea how big it would be in squares? |
| Markustay |
Posted - 21 Feb 2011 : 07:44:36
There is an adventure, IIRC, in the old Savage Frontier suplement, and it had some maps pertaining to the Grandfather Tree on the inside cover (including a pic of the tree, which I tried to turn into a vector so I could use it as a map symbol... and the drawing was so complex my comp crashed). LOL |
