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MerrikCale
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 17 Aug 2007 : 03:47:52
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I believe the new 4e campaign setting is coming out in August 2008. Any thoughts?
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Kentinal
Great Reader
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Posted - 17 Aug 2007 : 04:03:52
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My thought is it is a year away, that it is rather silly to reprint lore adjusted to new rules. That changing lore clearly would be a mistake. However we know little about the project at this point in time and its value might be greater then I expect. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31701 Posts |
Posted - 17 Aug 2007 : 04:18:01
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Remembering that the core 3e D&D rulebooks were released in 1999/2000, and that the FRCS 3e wasn't released until 2001, there's always a possibility that the new FRCS [assuming a new campaign setting for the new edition of the D&D rules, is released] won't be published until at least mid-2009.
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Skeptic
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1273 Posts |
Posted - 17 Aug 2007 : 04:32:18
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Go Sage, seal it |
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scererar
Master of Realmslore
USA
1618 Posts |
Posted - 17 Aug 2007 : 05:13:44
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We will still buy it for the updated lore regardless |
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ShepherdGunn
Seeker
USA
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Posted - 17 Aug 2007 : 09:34:57
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Well, after looking at the trailer for 4th Ed, I wonder if the FRCS wouldn't be re-released on CD-ROM? |
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MerrikCale
Senior Scribe
USA
947 Posts |
Posted - 17 Aug 2007 : 16:36:23
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quote: Originally posted by The Sage
Remembering that the core 3e D&D rulebooks were released in 1999/2000, and that the FRCS 3e wasn't released until 2001, there's always a possibility that the new FRCS [assuming a new campaign setting for the new edition of the D&D rules, is released] won't be published until at least mid-2009.
haven't they annouced an 8/08 release of the new FRCS |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
5402 Posts |
Posted - 17 Aug 2007 : 17:24:49
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I saw the news story, but I can't find the link right now . . . one of the interviews that was done mentioned the FRCS 4e coming after the core books. |
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Kiaransalyn
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
762 Posts |
Posted - 17 Aug 2007 : 17:44:31
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quote: Originally posted by MerrikCale
I believe the new 4e campaign setting is coming out in August 2008. Any thoughts?
Nope, not yet. My only real thought is that's a year away and a lot can happen between now and then. |
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Eremite
Learned Scribe
Singapore
182 Posts |
Posted - 17 Aug 2007 : 18:22:16
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I'm trying to be positive but my primary hope with a new FRCS is that a decision is taken not to advance the timeline in the game products. We're seeing far too many RSEs again and interesting game product hooks resolved in novels. Frankly I would like to see a whole new strategy in the novels once the new campaign setting is published with the novels telling stories of the past like Sword of Eveningstar.
Frankly, I was actually hoping that FR would be dropped so that Ed could take back creative control of the setting and we could have a range of edition-neutral lore books. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36779 Posts |
Posted - 17 Aug 2007 : 18:46:31
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quote: Originally posted by Eremite
I'm trying to be positive but my primary hope with a new FRCS is that a decision is taken not to advance the timeline in the game products. We're seeing far too many RSEs again and interesting game product hooks resolved in novels. Frankly I would like to see a whole new strategy in the novels once the new campaign setting is published with the novels telling stories of the past like Sword of Eveningstar.
Frankly, I was actually hoping that FR would be dropped so that Ed could take back creative control of the setting and we could have a range of edition-neutral lore books.
I can't say I agree with this... I like it when the timeline advances, no matter if it is a product or a novel. I don't want the "RSE of the week" trend to continue, but I do want the timeline to keep moving forward.
I wouldn't mind the occasional foray into the past, but I don't want it to be like post-Legends Dragginglance. Until Weis & Hickman came back to do the Chaos War, the setting went utterly stagnant as everyone went haring off into the past.
And if FR was dropped, I don't know that it would mean creative control would automatically revert back to Ed, or that he would be able to find someone else to publish it. There have been many cases of companies letting product lines die, but retaining the IP so no one else can touch them. |
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Kentinal
Great Reader
4684 Posts |
Posted - 17 Aug 2007 : 19:26:53
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Ed has spoke about this, he only is loaning FR to WotC. If Ed does not write one book a year (or waive that ) the FR campaign (or at least his material) reverts back to him. Not sure about how good contract is for works of others, though it appears likely everything with the FR logo could revert back to Ed (along with obigation to other contributors likely). I have not seen the contract, but odds are such discussion is moot. It appears unlikely Ed will not get a book and I suspect he would not want it to revert back to him. Unless WotC does something real upsetting to him. |
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
USA
1695 Posts |
Posted - 17 Aug 2007 : 19:43:02
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quote: Originally posted by Kentinal
Ed has spoke about this, he only is loaning FR to WotC. If Ed does not write one book a year (or waive that ) the FR campaign (or at least his material) reverts back to him. Not sure about how good contract is for works of others, though it appears likely everything with the FR logo could revert back to Ed (along with obigation to other contributors likely). I have not seen the contract, but odds are such discussion is moot. It appears unlikely Ed will not get a book and I suspect he would not want it to revert back to him. Unless WotC does something real upsetting to him.
Does he get back stuff that he gave them, but never saw the light of day? i.e. alot of the stuff that we ask about but says he is under NDA? |
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Kentinal
Great Reader
4684 Posts |
Posted - 17 Aug 2007 : 19:59:19
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quote: Originally posted by warlockco
Does he get back stuff that he gave them, but never saw the light of day? i.e. alot of the stuff that we ask about but says he is under NDA?
I certainly believe so. That answer was in reply to what occurs if/when Ed dies to FR. It should be in Kujm's Answer file. Like I said before I did not read the contract. |
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Jorkens
Great Reader
Norway
2950 Posts |
Posted - 17 Aug 2007 : 21:32:04
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quote: Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
quote: Originally posted by Eremite
I'm trying to be positive but my primary hope with a new FRCS is that a decision is taken not to advance the timeline in the game products. We're seeing far too many RSEs again and interesting game product hooks resolved in novels. Frankly I would like to see a whole new strategy in the novels once the new campaign setting is published with the novels telling stories of the past like Sword of Eveningstar.
Frankly, I was actually hoping that FR would be dropped so that Ed could take back creative control of the setting and we could have a range of edition-neutral lore books.
I can't say I agree with this... I like it when the timeline advances, no matter if it is a product or a novel. I don't want the "RSE of the week" trend to continue, but I do want the timeline to keep moving forward.
I wouldn't mind the occasional foray into the past, but I don't want it to be like post-Legends Dragginglance. Until Weis & Hickman came back to do the Chaos War, the setting went utterly stagnant as everyone went haring off into the past.
And if FR was dropped, I don't know that it would mean creative control would automatically revert back to Ed, or that he would be able to find someone else to publish it. There have been many cases of companies letting product lines die, but retaining the IP so no one else can touch them.
I must admit that I am on the other side in this one. Dragonlance was killed by this for me personally. As to advancing the timeline, it is undeniably something that is needed, but the pace could be slowed. The Mystara version with the almanacs would be the perfect style and novels tying in to some of these happenings. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 18 Aug 2007 : 00:25:32
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quote: Originally posted by MerrikCale
I believe the new 4e campaign setting is coming out in August 2008. Any thoughts?
Not really. *shrug* It's too early yet. |
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Skeptic
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1273 Posts |
Posted - 18 Aug 2007 : 00:32:57
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quote: Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
quote: Originally posted by MerrikCale
I believe the new 4e campaign setting is coming out in August 2008. Any thoughts?
Not really. *shrug* It's too early yet.
It depends how it's written (how much reprinted vs new lore). |
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Brian R. James
Forgotten Realms Game Designer
USA
1098 Posts |
Posted - 18 Aug 2007 : 01:28:48
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August 2008 is indeed the tentative release date for the next FRCS. I suspect more will be revealed in the "Secrets of the Forgotten Realms" seminar tomorrow. |
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MerrikCale
Senior Scribe
USA
947 Posts |
Posted - 18 Aug 2007 : 02:17:12
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quote: Originally posted by Eremite
I'm trying to be positive but my primary hope with a new FRCS is that a decision is taken not to advance the timeline in the game products. We're seeing far too many RSEs again and interesting game product hooks resolved in novels.
it is exactly what destroyed the X-books from Marvel. Every summer was a major crossover event with special covers, etc etc. It got old and the books burned out |
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MerrikCale
Senior Scribe
USA
947 Posts |
Posted - 18 Aug 2007 : 02:19:04
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quote: Originally posted by The Sage
I wasn't aware of any official announcements. Do you have a link confirming this?
I saw it on the Wizards site as well as an interview in EN World |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
5402 Posts |
Posted - 18 Aug 2007 : 04:26:32
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quote: Originally posted by MerrikCale
quote: Originally posted by Eremite
I'm trying to be positive but my primary hope with a new FRCS is that a decision is taken not to advance the timeline in the game products. We're seeing far too many RSEs again and interesting game product hooks resolved in novels.
it is exactly what destroyed the X-books from Marvel. Every summer was a major crossover event with special covers, etc etc. It got old and the books burned out
That's a good point and one that James Lowder made about the X-books in Len Wein's Unofficial X-Men. He talked about how too many major events, especially when the effects have a dubious long term resonance, just serve to cheapen the entire series. Doubly relevant given that he is a past FR writer. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 18 Aug 2007 : 04:29:49
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quote: Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
That's a good point and one that James Lowder made about the X-books in Len Wein's Unofficial X-Men. He talked about how too many major events, especially when the effects have a dubious long term resonance, just serve to cheapen the entire series. Doubly relevant given that he is a past FR writer.
Relevant indeed. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36779 Posts |
Posted - 18 Aug 2007 : 06:46:08
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quote: Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
quote: Originally posted by MerrikCale
quote: Originally posted by Eremite
I'm trying to be positive but my primary hope with a new FRCS is that a decision is taken not to advance the timeline in the game products. We're seeing far too many RSEs again and interesting game product hooks resolved in novels.
it is exactly what destroyed the X-books from Marvel. Every summer was a major crossover event with special covers, etc etc. It got old and the books burned out
That's a good point and one that James Lowder made about the X-books in Len Wein's Unofficial X-Men. He talked about how too many major events, especially when the effects have a dubious long term resonance, just serve to cheapen the entire series. Doubly relevant given that he is a past FR writer.
That's part of why I bailed on comics... Considering how slowly comics move forward, they were having to save the world/universe about every other day... And with the recent flood of RSEs, I see the same thing happening. |
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MerrikCale
Senior Scribe
USA
947 Posts |
Posted - 18 Aug 2007 : 21:11:47
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Its a concern for sure. Its why I like smaller scale novels like the Class series. Even when the books aren't great, they're more like an adventure and not a RSE |
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Brian R. James
Forgotten Realms Game Designer
USA
1098 Posts |
Posted - 19 Aug 2007 : 02:03:50
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Hours since the "Secrets of the Forgotten Realms" seminar and no spoilers yet eh? Ok I'll go first. The 4E Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting will be set in the Year of Blue Fire, 1385 DR (or about 10 years after the conclusion of most 3.5 Realms supplements). |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
5402 Posts |
Posted - 19 Aug 2007 : 02:06:42
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::taking breath::
Boy, I'm glad we can just skip past all of those pesky interesting plot threads going on right now.
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Skeptic
Master of Realmslore
Canada
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Posted - 19 Aug 2007 : 02:07:54
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quote: Originally posted by Brian R. James
Hours since the "Secrets of the Forgotten Realms" seminar and no spoilers yet eh? Ok I'll go first. The 4E Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting will be set in the Year of Blue Fire, 1385 DR (or about 10 years after the conclusion of most 3.5 Realms supplements).
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 19 Aug 2007 : 02:13:16
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quote: Originally posted by Brian R. James
Hours since the "Secrets of the Forgotten Realms" seminar and no spoilers yet eh? Ok I'll go first. The 4E Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting will be set in the Year of Blue Fire, 1385 DR (or about 10 years after the conclusion of most 3.5 Realms supplements).
They skipped right over 10 interesting years! Who's idea was this? I guess I won't be buying this product. |
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Faraer
Great Reader
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Posted - 19 Aug 2007 : 02:15:24
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Superhero comics put everything at the service of characters and issue-by-issue sales; Marvel or DC timelines are totally implausible in a realistic sense, from the ever-young heroes to the endless strife. Another comparison is the TV show 24: exciting, but senseless compared to the pace of our-world politics and espionage.
Maybe, in theory, you could combine 'biggest ever! most destruction! everything changes!' hype with a believable timeline of the kind the Realms has before 1358 DR. It would be very difficult, and is not now being done.
The metaphor that occurred to me lately is too much plastic surgery. The very elasticity of the Realms camouflages the damage, but the scar tissue is building up. |
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Faraer
Great Reader
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Posted - 19 Aug 2007 : 02:18:45
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Moving the Realms further and further away in time from what people like about it is crazy. The timeline advancement -- in terms of years gone by, not in event density -- would be a lot more tolerable without the big jump we had to 1367 DR in 1993, where we lost several years for reasons never justified or explained. |
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