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SirUrza
Master of Realmslore
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 Posted - 03 Aug 2007 : 23:45:14
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2 thumbs up. I think I like it better then the first one... which I may have to reread.
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
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Posted - 05 Aug 2007 : 12:24:19
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Originally posted by SirUrza
2 thumbs up. I think I like it better then the first one... which I may have to reread.
I'm very much looking forward to this one. If it's an improvement on the first (which I personally consider Ed's most 'complete' and balanced FR novel) then I'll be in heaven. I'm buying it at GEN-CON, hoping that his Mr Greenwood-ness will autograph it, and then reading it on my later travels through Europe.
-- George Krashos
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Faraer
Great Reader
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Posted - 05 Aug 2007 : 16:15:50
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The sample chapter is available.
Opsmarckt Basic (the script font on the cover) is my new favourite Realms heading font. It's a lovely human typeface. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31701 Posts |
Posted - 05 Aug 2007 : 17:19:31
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Oooh! I desperately want to take a look at the 'sample chapter,' but my love of all-things-Ed compels me to anticipate the release of the actual Swords of Dragonfire novel, before spoiling even a paragraph of the narrative itself. 
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initiate
Learned Scribe
Canada
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Posted - 05 Aug 2007 : 19:42:57
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Unlike the Sage, my will is weak. I downloaded the sample a couple of days ago and thoroughly enjoyed it. Without spoiling anything big, the opening pages include an appearance by a character who I don't think I've ever seen in a Realms novel before, [at least not for a long time], and about whom I've long been curious. Off hand, I think its one of the longest sustained scenes I've ever seen Ed write, though it mixes this sustained action with his frequent viewpoint hops to give the reader different perspectives on events. I really like this blending of techniques. I suppose I shouldn't judge a book on its first chapter, but I loved "Swords of Eveningstar", and if this sample is anything to go by "Dragonfire" is going to be just as good or better. Can't wait.
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore
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Posted - 06 Aug 2007 : 02:51:23
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I loved Dragonfire, and Ed tells me he's deep in writing the third one, "The Sword Never Sleeps," right now. More characterization, he tells me, and a lot more "little secrets of Cormyr."
That sample (consisting of the Prologue and Chapter 1, for those who haven't dared open it yet) is, in my opinion (except for the delightful "facing down the courtier" scene), the "slowest" and "weakest" stretch of prose in all of Dragonfire. So if you liked it, the rest is even better!
These are the novels Ed wanted to write back in 1990, when his "Long Novel Silence" fell because of all the problems with the writing of Spellfire. however, we got a steady stream of game products from his pen instead, that defined much of the Realms so other writers and designers could run around and play in it, so things didn't turn out that badly.
Still, I'd give a lot for a bookshelf full of the ongoing saga of the Knights. I wonder what tales Ed will turn to next?
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31701 Posts |
Posted - 06 Aug 2007 : 03:00:20
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Originally posted by The Hooded One
...and a lot more "little secrets of Cormyr."
Neato! I'm now starting to wonder just what exactly, Ed will reveal. 
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That sample (consisting of the Prologue and Chapter 1, for those who haven't dared open it yet) is, in my opinion (except for the delightful "facing down the courtier" scene), the "slowest" and "weakest" stretch of prose in all of Dragonfire. So if you liked it, the rest is even better!
I appreciate that, my Lady. Thanks.
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Still, I'd give a lot for a bookshelf full of the ongoing saga of the Knights.
As would I. Here's hoping Ed finds other ways to share future stories about the Knights after the conclusion of the trilogy itself. 
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Lady Kazandra
Senior Scribe
Australia
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Posted - 07 Aug 2007 : 17:12:38
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Xysma
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 09 Aug 2007 : 01:03:53
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I will peek, but not read!
I'll pick up the book ASAP and will begin reading when I'm done with The Ogre's Pact. |
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SirUrza
Master of Realmslore
USA
1283 Posts |
Posted - 10 Aug 2007 : 02:48:11
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| Ogre's Pact.. you choose OGRE'S PACT over an Ed novel... someone get this woman a doctor! |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 10 Aug 2007 : 03:03:28
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Originally posted by SirUrza
Ogre's Pact.. you choose OGRE'S PACT over an Ed novel... someone get this woman a doctor!
I always finish the book I'm reading before moving on to the next one. That's just the way it is.
I started The Ogre's Pact before Ed's book came out. |
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khorne
Master of Realmslore
Finland
1073 Posts |
Posted - 10 Aug 2007 : 09:31:00
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 10 Aug 2007 : 23:28:26
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Originally posted by khorne
Why are these mages always so arrogant and bombastic? If I was a mage in Faerun, I'd be soft-spoken and polite, since it seems like all the wizards who go "muahaha" tend to meet an end that sounds roughly like "SPLAT!"
To true... Although I've read about plenty of sneaky wizards as well.
A lot of "soft-spoken" mages in the novels end up being protagonists, whereas the more bombastic ones tend to be villians. It's all very "old school" to me (not saying that's a bad thing). |
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eldritchknight
Acolyte
USA
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Alaundo
Head Moderator
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 18 Aug 2007 : 00:09:09
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eldritchknight
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 18 Aug 2007 : 04:09:16
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As did I. I have not read much of Greenwood, only Spellfire and Crown of Fire, but Annotated Elminster will be a good chance to read of El's origins.
Also, once the whole Knight's of Myth Drannor trilogy is out in paperback, I will read it. Is there any chance that Torm and Rathan are in the Knight's books? Loved the banter between the two of them. |
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Alaundo
Head Moderator
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Posted - 18 Aug 2007 : 09:43:32
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As did I. I have not read much of Greenwood, only Spellfire and Crown of Fire, but Annotated Elminster will be a good chance to read of El's origins.
Also, once the whole Knight's of Myth Drannor trilogy is out in paperback, I will read it. Is there any chance that Torm and Rathan are in the Knight's books? Loved the banter between the two of them.
Well met
Aye, those two make me chuckle and are one of the things I enjoy the most in Ed's books. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 19 Aug 2007 : 01:03:17
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Rathan made a cameo in Swords of Eveningstar.
I'm still working my way through the second book--I'll let you know if I see Rathan or Torm therein. |
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DarkPsion
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 21 Aug 2007 : 06:22:10
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Finished it tonight and it was as good as all his books, really breaths life into the realms with all the little details, but I do have one question, what aproximate levels are the knights?
Florin, Islif and Pennae come across as very skilled, but Jhessail and the two "holynoses" don't seem to cast that many spells. |
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SirUrza
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 24 Aug 2007 : 19:41:22
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| Even at alow levels, FLorin, Islif, and Pennae have a lot more to do per day then the 3 spellcasters you mentioned. You'll notice that a lot of what happens in the books, happens in the same day. So even if they're level 1-3, that's not too many level 1 spells. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 29 Aug 2007 : 00:11:06
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Rathan made a cameo in Swords of Eveningstar.
I'm still working my way through the second book--I'll let you know if I see Rathan or Torm therein.
Follow-up post: I don't recall seeing either of these two characters this time around.
I still recommend the book, though! |
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Blueblade
Senior Scribe
USA
804 Posts |
Posted - 30 Aug 2007 : 04:20:14
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I thought Ed snuck Torm into the book, or at least mention of him. Heh. Another reason to go back and re-read it! (Yay!)
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 30 Aug 2007 : 17:53:28
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Originally posted by Blueblade
I thought Ed snuck Torm into the book, or at least mention of him. Heh. Another reason to go back and re-read it! (Yay!)
Blueblade
Yeah, there was a character who seemed like he might be a young Torm, though he wasn't called Torm. Maybe... |
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Xysma
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 30 Aug 2007 : 18:31:23
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| You know I jusr read somewhere a listing of the Knights and it listed an alias for Torm that I remember thinking was the name of that fellow you mention that so badly embarassed Dauntless. Of course I have nothing with me here at work and I can't for the life of me remember where I read that listing. I'll check Dragon 359 tonight, maybe that was it. Unless anyone already knows that this was Torm... Anyone? THO? |
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore
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Posted - 30 Aug 2007 : 22:34:07
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You are quite correct, Xysma: that was indeed Torm, using the alias you couldn't quite remember (which is why this otherwise-unrelated character is in the book at all). Expect to (fleetingly) see more of both Torm and Rathan in the third book.
love,
THO
Edit: Torm was most infamous as "Rathgar" in his early career. One of several aliases he misused in his rise (?) to fame. See "FR0" (aka The Old Grey Box) for the first in-print reference to this. |
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Xysma
Master of Realmslore
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 11 Sep 2007 : 20:03:48
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Indeed, it's always nice to know the truth. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 11 Sep 2007 : 22:27:37
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Originally posted by The Hooded One
You are quite correct, Xysma: that was indeed Torm, using the alias you couldn't quite remember (which is why this otherwise-unrelated character is in the book at all). Expect to (fleetingly) see more of both Torm and Rathan in the third book.
love,
THO
Edit: Torm was most infamous as "Rathgar" in his early career. One of several aliases he misused in his rise (?) to fame. See "FR0" (aka The Old Grey Box) for the first in-print reference to this.
I thought that was him... His behavior seemed rather Torm-like. |
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nutluck
Acolyte
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Posted - 24 Sep 2007 : 05:14:11
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| I just finished this book a couple of days ago. Taken as a whole I think these are by far the best books Ed Greenwood has written. I really hope once the trilogy is done that he decides to write another one. |
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