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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
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 Posted - 25 Apr 2006 : 00:58:29
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So, for lack of anything better to do apparently, we're going for Complete Series II! Go Wizards! Oh, I can't wait! *quietly starts weeping*
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Beirnadri Magranth
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 25 Apr 2006 : 01:03:48
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i cant possibly imagine what that would be about... we have book of vile deeds for evil characters... complete adventurer for rogues as well as the 3.0 song and shadow (is that whats its called i forget adn am to lazy to check)
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
2965 Posts |
Posted - 25 Apr 2006 : 01:06:36
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| It's quite obviously a complementary product to Complete Adventurer, just as Complete Mage is a complementary product to Complete Arcane. |
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Archwizard
Learned Scribe
USA
266 Posts |
Posted - 25 Apr 2006 : 01:14:05
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| It is a bit inane. Although some have voicd complaints at how Complete Adventurer was more for just any class with some skill points to spare and less so for roguish type characters specifically, which is what many had hoped it would be. To a lesser extent, Complete Arcane was not as exclusive for pure spellcasting as many would have liked, thus WotC perceives a demand for Complete Mage as well I'll bet. |
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
2965 Posts |
Posted - 25 Apr 2006 : 01:15:27
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Originally posted by Archwizard
It is a bit inane. Although some have voicd complaints at how Complete Adventurer was more for just any class with some skill points to spare and less so for roguish type characters specifically, which is what many had hoped it would be. To a lesser extent, Complete Arcane was not as exclusive for pure spellcasting as many would have liked, thus WotC perceives a demand for Complete Mage as wlel I'll bet.
The only problem I have with those complaints is that going into the first 4 books in the series, we were told they'd be about giving all characters options in those areas, not just the classes specializing in that area. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Kentinal
Great Reader
4685 Posts |
Posted - 25 Apr 2006 : 01:31:12
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"All results for: author words: Mcartor, Mike"
" Spell Compendium
by Matthew Sernett (Author), et al (Hardcover - December 1, 2005) "
" Dragon Compendium Volume 1
by Mike McArtor (Author) " (no date provided)
"All results for: author words: Schneider, Wesley"
" Complete Scoundrel
by Mike Mcartor (Author), Wesley Schneider (Author) (Hardcover - January 9, 2007) "
Off hand I do not believe we and amazon know much about either of these two.
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
5402 Posts |
Posted - 25 Apr 2006 : 01:41:29
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He works for Paizo . . . it seems like WOTC is tapping a lot of Paizo talent lately.
Why do I suddenly picture Han and Lando when I see this book? |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 25 Apr 2006 : 01:57:40
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Why do I suddenly picture Han and Lando when I see this book?
Yeah... and the adventure in the back of Complete Scoundrel will be about the Yavin Vassilika  .
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
5402 Posts |
Posted - 25 Apr 2006 : 02:01:26
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You know . . . I was having fun until I just realized this may be the closest we get to any Star Wars RPG material again . . . ::sigh::
(But my Faleen Scoundrel/Infiltrator will still have his revenge upon his brother that discover that "accounting error" if its the last thing I do!) |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Kajehase
Great Reader
Sweden
2104 Posts |
Posted - 25 Apr 2006 : 02:07:19
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Well, I must say that it's flattering they're devoting a whole book to me. But I really wish they could have asked for permission first...
And on a serious note - I'd rather have seen a (good) book dealing with the goblinoid or giant races instead of another Complete Yada-yada-yada. |
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Archwizard
Learned Scribe
USA
266 Posts |
Posted - 25 Apr 2006 : 02:19:25
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Originally posted by Arivia
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Originally posted by Archwizard
It is a bit inane. Although some have voicd complaints at how Complete Adventurer was more for just any class with some skill points to spare and less so for roguish type characters specifically, which is what many had hoped it would be. To a lesser extent, Complete Arcane was not as exclusive for pure spellcasting as many would have liked, thus WotC perceives a demand for Complete Mage as wlel I'll bet.
The only problem I have with those complaints is that going into the first 4 books in the series, we were told they'd be about giving all characters options in those areas, not just the classes specializing in that area.
Doesn't stop people from complaining about what they wanted but didn't get. 
I find that some players are very fanatical about topics of interest to them, be it arcane magic, the roguish arts, or elves.
At first glance I thought it was a SW book also. |
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
2965 Posts |
Posted - 25 Apr 2006 : 02:30:28
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Originally posted by Archwizard
Doesn't stop people from complaining about what they wanted but didn't get.
I find that some players are very fanatical about topics of interest to them, be it arcane magic, the roguish arts, or elves.
At first glance I thought it was a SW book also.
Heh, don't I know...I had a rather bad run-in on WotC a few weeks ago on the Future Releases board...that one ended on Saturday, I think.
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Can anyone think of any actual rules bits they wouldn't mind seeing covered in this supplement? A 3.5 treatment of the garrote rules would be nice, from a rules-cases standpoint. |
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
4607 Posts |
Posted - 25 Apr 2006 : 02:30:48
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Originally posted by Arivia
Click.
So, for lack of anything better to do apparently, we're going for Complete Series II! Go Wizards! Oh, I can't wait! *quietly starts weeping*
I got wise to this long ago and I struck a deal with my players everyone buys one "Complete" book
I bought Complete Fighter and 3 of my players bought the other 3 books
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Alaundo
Head Moderator
United Kingdom
5692 Posts |
Posted - 25 Apr 2006 : 08:27:15
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Well met
Hmmm, I actually winced when I saw this. One of the last things I wanted to see was this "Complete" series getting out of hand. I was quite happy at the initial four books in the series but then wondered where this was actually going when Complete Mage was announced and made me ponder the content in comparison to Complete Arcane. Alas, this tome is likely to be the third D&D tome I will leave on the shelf. If this trend continues, I can see my D&D core purchases being quite low through 2007  |
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Archwizard
Learned Scribe
USA
266 Posts |
Posted - 25 Apr 2006 : 08:53:14
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Originally posted by Arivia
Heh, don't I know...I had a rather bad run-in on WotC a few weeks ago on the Future Releases board...that one ended on Saturday, I think.
Eh, don't let it get to you. there are some people with overly strong opinions on message boards sometimes.
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Can anyone think of any actual rules bits they wouldn't mind seeing covered in this supplement? A 3.5 treatment of the garrote rules would be nice, from a rules-cases standpoint.
Nothing major really. Though I dispise the way the Ninja and related classes were presented, like PrCs such as the Ghost-faced killer, which were edited to follow similar guidelines. I found them bland. I think the AEG or even the OA take on ninja is a more balanced version of the warrior based and mystical based ninja stereotype.
Maybe more materials for assassin types, and not just the Assassin PrC, but options for non-evil assassins.
What about various takes on the Merchant Prince, or different things about the shady fence, street thug, the roguish swashbuckler type, etc. Possibly some epic material.
Certainly more gear and equipment, I remember the Complete Thieves' Handbook in 2e had lots of interesting items for thieving and anti-thieving.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36779 Posts |
Posted - 25 Apr 2006 : 11:25:23
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Originally posted by Alaundo
Well met
Hmmm, I actually winced when I saw this. One of the last things I wanted to see was this "Complete" series getting out of hand. I was quite happy at the initial four books in the series but then wondered where this was actually going when Complete Mage was announced and made me ponder the content in comparison to Complete Arcane. Alas, this tome is likely to be the third D&D tome I will leave on the shelf. If this trend continues, I can see my D&D core purchases being quite low through 2007
Ditto. It's getting like the Complete X Handbooks of 2E. Though I could see them for the races and the initial classes (Warrior, Thief, Cleric, etc), after a while it started getting ridiculous. Complete Scoundrel? I'll not even flip thru it.  |
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
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Posted - 25 Apr 2006 : 12:03:43
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| Out of all of the bonus classes included in the Complete books Id probably only allow the War Mage (Suitable for an arcane branch of the Church of Tempus)and maybe the Knight class (Especially if its "Cavalieresque") |
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martynq
Seeker
United Kingdom
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Posted - 25 Apr 2006 : 12:12:15
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I guess this was pretty inevitable. It has been stated in the past that books aimed at players (rather than just the DM) sell much better. These "Complete" books fit pretty much with that philosophy.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 25 Apr 2006 : 13:50:03
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Ditto. It's getting like the Complete X Handbooks of 2E. Though I could see them for the races and the initial classes (Warrior, Thief, Cleric, etc), after a while it started getting ridiculous. Complete Scoundrel? I'll not even flip thru it.
I'll certainly take a look -- but only because I'm curious, at this point, about it's possible content.
Once we learn more, that position will likely change since I have the feeling this tome will be just an excuse for publishing more roguish-based PrCs and plenty of *new* feats .
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Jindael
Senior Scribe
USA
357 Posts |
Posted - 25 Apr 2006 : 14:24:39
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This book targets my interests directly; much more than Complete Mage, so it will almost certainly end up on my shelf. And, to be honest, I don't find this "trend" to be at all surprising. What surprised me, actually, is that the first set of Complete Books were so broad; I was really expecting a much more defined focus per character class.
I wonder if the complete series is going to get as particular as to start doing a Complete Elves, and Complete Dwarves?
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
5402 Posts |
Posted - 25 Apr 2006 : 15:52:13
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I actually wish they would do more "Races of" books, since in 3.5 its much more possible to play other races, and for DMs to use races with classes as well. Then again, the best thing about "Races of the Dragon" was the kobold treatment.
So what are the next "Complete II" books going to be . . . "Complete Proseletyzer"? "Complete Lug"? |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
5402 Posts |
Posted - 25 Apr 2006 : 15:57:13
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Sorry, for coming up with this after I just posted, but in retrospect I was thinking . . . what could WOTC put out that would be a better alternative to the "complete II" series?
So far they started the terrain series. I don't know how they sold, but I would rather see a Terrain book on forests, swamps, mountains, anything that they could do well, come up with some logical magic items and monsters for, etc.
There is still a lot they could do with the "Draconomicon" type books as well. A book on giants or one about humanoids, focusing on them as opponents, and showing what kind of beasts they might take as pets or guards would be interesting, as well as reintroducing, officially, some of those gods that have been missing since 2nd edition . . . Skiggaret anyone? |
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Archwizard
Learned Scribe
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266 Posts |
Posted - 25 Apr 2006 : 17:04:14
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Yes, a races book, a terrain book, or a book on specific monsters (Draconomicon type) would be more interesting. It could even be something like Lords of Madness II to cover the other types of aberrations that didn't make it into the first one. They can even use the name Codex Anathema this time. It is certainly about time for a book on giants or fey or classical monstrous humanoids like centaurs and minotaurs.
I think the complete series books might have been better organized if they were like the Complete Handbooks of 2e, at least since this is what they are heading towards anyway but in a less straightforward manner. Complete Warrior for fighters, Complete Crusader - Paladins, Complete Priest - Cleric, Complete Mage - Wizards, etc.
Hopefully this series doesn't sell so well that we'll get Complete Round III, Complete Scallywag anyone? |
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Vainelus
Seeker
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Posted - 26 Apr 2006 : 22:24:16
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My play group stopped purchasing complete series books shortly after 3.0 sword and fist style books. The Races of Series, I have liked for it's mechanics, but I could go for less new races being introduced. The monster series has been okay, although I was surprised how Liches and Vampires got glazed over in favor of Zombies, Skeletons, and ghouls in the undead book. I would rather see more Races of or monster books, but to be honest I would really prefer more campaign setting specific books even if they had to class themed something like Warriors of Faerun, Divine casters of Greyhawk or even Robot Ninjas of Eberron. At least then, the material would have some useful information outside of game mechanics and give some indication why the prestige class exists. Rather than....Daggerspell mage...hmm I wonder what this does....oh it attacks with daggers and cast spells who would have ever guessed from the title .
PS- I am sorry if Robot Ninjas is offensive to Eberron fans, but I just could not resist that title rolls of so naturally. I mean it sounds far more catchy than Warriors of Faerun or Divine casters of Greyhawk . |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 26 Apr 2006 : 22:56:29
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It is certainly about time for a book on giants or fey or classical monstrous humanoids like centaurs and minotaurs.
Or even... Complete Giant Space Hamster!  |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
5402 Posts |
Posted - 26 Apr 2006 : 23:07:56
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| Only if they update autognomes in there as well . . . |
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Mace Hammerhand
Great Reader
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Posted - 26 Apr 2006 : 23:17:38
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Complete this...complete that.... my AD&D campaigns ran fine without 'em...I guess when the change to 3.5 will come I can make do with basically 'only' the FR material and be quite content for a long time.
We seem to be getting to the same point of supplement 'inflation' we had back in the TSR days... but at least back then I didn't have to pay ungodly amounts of cash to purchase just 3 books or whatnot. Sure, there is eye-candy, but do I need all of that candy? And for that matter can you get rotten eyes by consuming too much eye-candy?
If they were to release them at a reasonable price, I might consider buying some, but what would my players, most of whom aren't that firm in English, do? Hell the German PHB 3.5 costs about 40% more than the English version... I dread to know what the translations of these books cost. |
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Alaundo
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Posted - 26 Apr 2006 : 23:30:54
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Archwizard
It is certainly about time for a book on giants or fey or classical monstrous humanoids like centaurs and minotaurs.
Or even... Complete Giant Space Hamster!
 Now that would be interesting  I'd certainly pick that one up without a second thought!
Say Wooly, mayhaps ye should take it upon thyself to put such a tome together. Nobody knows Giant Space Hamsters as much as thee |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 26 Apr 2006 : 23:33:05
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Hm . . . a racial class progression . . . paragon giant space hampster classes . . . giant space hampster PrCs . . . wait . . . half- giant space hampsters, maybe?!?
It boggles the mind. |
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