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Mumadar Ibn Huzal
Master of Realmslore
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 Posted - 12 Mar 2003 : 14:29:34
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Yes, sometimes sages have questions for sages as well... 
Looking over the map that came with the 3e Silver Marches acessory, my eye fell on a small red mark in the section depicting Underdark locations.
Schyndrilin's Gate (sp?... I do this from memory, don't have the thing in front of me) I went back into the book and looked for it, but couldn't locate it in the text. Nor does it ring a bell from previous products (though Drizzt do'Urden's Guide to the Underdark is a good candidate for a likely source).
Any sage or scribe on the forum who recalls some tidbit of information on this location (more precisely, it lies under the Evermoors, to the east near the Silverwood).
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zemd
Master of Realmslore
France
1103 Posts |
Posted - 12 Mar 2003 : 15:04:22
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I searched in Drow of the Underdark, Drizzt Do'Urden Guide to the Underdark, Silver Marches, Menzoberrazan... I din't find anything... |
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Mumadar Ibn Huzal
Master of Realmslore
1338 Posts |
Posted - 12 Mar 2003 : 15:48:34
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| Zemd, could you find the marking on the map I was referring to? |
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zemd
Master of Realmslore
France
1103 Posts |
Posted - 12 Mar 2003 : 15:57:51
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Yes, i saw it.
But, i lost it so i had to download it from the internet. But the image isn't very good so i can't find the right name. So i looked for darklake, but i didn't find anything valuable |
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Lord Rad
Great Reader
United Kingdom
2080 Posts |
Posted - 12 Mar 2003 : 18:58:01
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| I doubt there will be any information available for Sschindylryn's Gate if its not listed in Silver Marches or DDGttU, being as theyre the only products which detail the Underdark or The North. |
Lord Rad
"What? No, I wasn't reading your module. I was just looking at the pictures"
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zemd
Master of Realmslore
France
1103 Posts |
Posted - 12 Mar 2003 : 22:08:09
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Got it!!!
Sschindrylryn's Gate
Over a decade ago, drow from the distant city of
Sschindylryn discovered this ancient gate to another plane
less than nine days from Menzoberranzan. Located fifty
miles away on a small island in the unclaimed eastern
Darklake , Sschindylryn's Gate hosted fierce battles between mercenaries employed by the rival cities. After five years the
Sschindylrynyr garrison was forced back through the gate,
which was badly damaged in the battles. A small company
of Menzoberranyr warriors, wizards, and priests have
guarded the portal since.
Sschindylrynís Gate still functions intermittently, but
Menzoberranzan drow do not know how to operate it. As
before, the gate only works for creatures who drink three
drops of deep dragon blood ten minutes or less before use.
This ritual is no longer sufficient, however. The gate now
requires someone to cast a spell from the school of Alteration
directly on the portal, which then functions normally
for a number of rounds equal to the spellís level. Of course,
even if they could learn how to work the gate, the Menzoberranzan
drow would have no idea where it opens onto. |
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Lord Rad
Great Reader
United Kingdom
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Posted - 12 Mar 2003 : 23:30:07
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Yaaay! Where was that written zemd? Looks like its likely to be in the Menzoberranzan boxed set?
BTW, where exactly IS the "distant city of Sschindylryn"? |
Lord Rad
"What? No, I wasn't reading your module. I was just looking at the pictures"
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zemd
Master of Realmslore
France
1103 Posts |
Posted - 13 Mar 2003 : 18:27:29
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Drizzt Do'Urden's Guide to the Underdark
And i didn't find anything related to the city. I'll search later i go party |
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zemd
Master of Realmslore
France
1103 Posts |
Posted - 14 Mar 2003 : 13:57:13
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| I think that's it's a city very far away from Menzoberranzan, and that it was never described before. |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
6645 Posts |
Posted - 12 Apr 2003 : 02:27:20
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Sschindylryn's gate is indeed found in DDGttU (p.68). Interestingly, in Eric Boyd's first draft of DDGttU, he intended the gate to lead to the drow city of Erelhei Cinlu (sp?) on Oerth - an FR/Greyhawk crossover event. The reason for this was the listing of several Greyhawk drow cities and noble houses in FOR3 Drow of the Underdark. This attempt to fix a realmslore contradiction didn't get through the editing process.
-- George Krashos
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hashimashadoo
Master of Realmslore
United Kingdom
1150 Posts |
Posted - 01 Jan 2006 : 22:29:16
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The city of Sschindylryn itself is located under the Vast Swamp in Cormyr.
It was mentioned in book 5 of the War of the Spider Queen series and detailed in the Underdark sourcebook. |
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Edited by - hashimashadoo on 01 Jan 2006 22:45:53 |
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vremya
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 10 Nov 2013 : 19:41:16
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Hi all,
Let me preface this by apologizing for resurrecting an old thread, but it piqued my interest.
zemd or Mumadar Ibn Huzal, I cannot find a map detailing the Underdark in the Silver Marches 3E Accessory. Nor do I see anything about Sschyn's Gate. Could either of you please let me know where you found this map?
-V |
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Edited by - vremya on 10 Nov 2013 22:05:35 |
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The Masked Mage
Great Reader
USA
2420 Posts |
Posted - 10 Nov 2013 : 22:18:28
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Keep reading Vremya - later they mention that it comes from Drizzt Do Urden's Guide To The Underdark. Krash even give a page citation and history of publishing :P
There is also an underdark map (including the silver marches in the Underdark 3rd E book |
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Firestorm
Senior Scribe
Canada
826 Posts |
Posted - 11 Nov 2013 : 00:30:40
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Eventually, someone needs to do a detailed "lowerdark" map. lol
The upperdark is not too bad since it is not too deep, and the middledark is full of the usual Drow/Other underdark baddies 5-10 miles below. But the lowerdark interests the heck out of me. Most of them think the surface is a myth and there are a lot of places in the lowerdark which can only be accessed from 1 or two locations |
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vremya
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 11 Nov 2013 : 01:54:45
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@ The Masked Mage: Ah yes, I read where they eventually found information regarding Sschyn's Gate. But I am specifically asking where Mumadar Ibn Huzal spotted the mystery location. To quote him: 'Looking over the map that came with the 3e Silver Marches acessory, my eye fell on a small red mark in the section depicting Underdark locations.'
To my knowledge, there is no map of the Underdark included in the 3E Silver Marches sourcebook. There are several pages detailing the major sites under the Silver Marches, but no map. The surface map included with the Silver Marches book (at least my printing of it) does not even use 'red marks' to denote any features on the map.
There is a map of the Underdark in the 3E FR Underdark sourcebook, but it does not feature Sschyn's gate. It does however, show Sschyn (the city) to the East, under Cormyr.
What I am looking to find out, is what exactly (physcially) was Mumadar Ibn Huzal looking at when he noticed the 'red mark'. He states it was the map that came with the Silver Marches 3E accessory book. But again, my map has no such feature.
Is it possible his book was published in another country? Mine is a USA edition.
Thanks for all the input! |
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BEAST
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 11 Nov 2013 : 03:20:27
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vremya,
On the fold-out map, under the map for Sundabar, there is a section called "The Underdark in the North". Sschindylryn's Gate is shown as a red "X". |
"'You don't know my history,' he said dryly."
--Drizzt Do'Urden (The Pirate King, Part 1: Chapter 2)
<"Comprehensive Chronology of R.A. Salvatore Forgotten Realms Works"> |
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vremya
Acolyte
USA
7 Posts |
Posted - 11 Nov 2013 : 13:17:30
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Beast, could you (or anyone else who has this map!) please email or PM me a picture of what map you are referring to?
I do not see 'The Underdark in the North' anywhere in my stuff, and searching for it in google images does not produce anything... |
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BEAST
Master of Realmslore
USA
1714 Posts |
Posted - 11 Nov 2013 : 17:42:12
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No, I don't have a working scanner to scan it with.
EDIT: But in the last post in <this scroll>, fellow 'Keeper KrisTheGrey gives a few links to homebrew manuals with Upper Underdark maps in them, and you get the idea of Sschindylryn's Gate's location, there. It sits on the SE shoreline of the Dark Lake, which lies beneath the Evermoors. It's just to the west of Silverymoon and Everlund. |
"'You don't know my history,' he said dryly."
--Drizzt Do'Urden (The Pirate King, Part 1: Chapter 2)
<"Comprehensive Chronology of R.A. Salvatore Forgotten Realms Works"> |
Edited by - BEAST on 11 Nov 2013 18:01:47 |
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vremya
Acolyte
USA
7 Posts |
Posted - 11 Nov 2013 : 20:45:03
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Beast, thanks for those scrolls. They are helpful and provide some good info regarding the Underdark in the North and the location of Sschyn's Gate.
However... I am most interested in this map that you (and others) have referenced. I have been DMing for close to 14 years now with the majority of it being in the Realms, and I must admit, I am a little flustered that I don't have this map, let alone, never even seen it!
If there is any way you could find a way to get me this map, the effort would be greatly appreciated. |
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The Masked Mage
Great Reader
USA
2420 Posts |
Posted - 12 Nov 2013 : 01:54:16
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| what is your email? |
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The Masked Mage
Great Reader
USA
2420 Posts |
Posted - 12 Nov 2013 : 01:57:56
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| There are three maps of the underdark - 2 that give a location of this: the one Beast describes, the one from DDUGTTU and the big black one from the Underdark book. The black one does not have the location. The others do. |
Edited by - The Masked Mage on 12 Nov 2013 02:02:39 |
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vremya
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 12 Nov 2013 : 02:19:04
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@The Masked Mage: I PM'd email.
I am familiar with the the black/neon map from the 3/3.5 FR Underdark book.
Is the map in DDUGTTU a fold out map, or printed-on-page map?
And I assume the Silver Marches map is fold out, because I do not see it in my book. Is that correct? |
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The Masked Mage
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 12 Nov 2013 : 02:49:49
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| Yep - both were fold outs that were basically maps of the realms with underdark locations superimposed. The silver marches lines up with the 3rd E style map. |
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The Masked Mage
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 12 Nov 2013 : 02:50:46
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| Sent to you portions of the maps. that have Northdark |
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vremya
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 12 Nov 2013 : 03:24:09
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| Thanks. So is the newer 3E 'The Underdark in the North' its own map? Or is it in the corner of the Silver Marches map? |
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The Masked Mage
Great Reader
USA
2420 Posts |
Posted - 12 Nov 2013 : 03:49:32
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| was from the lower left hand corner of the silver marches map |
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vremya
Acolyte
USA
7 Posts |
Posted - 12 Nov 2013 : 04:38:27
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My whole life is a lie...
I need to get this map.
Edit: The Masked Mage helped me find this not so hidden map. Well done. And many thanks.
V |
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Edited by - vremya on 12 Nov 2013 05:00:58 |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 12 Oct 2014 : 20:03:01
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Casts *** Raise Scroll!!! ***
Okay, the last few posts weren't THAT old, but the thread itself is. I found a map Mike Schley did of the Silver Marches (must be 4e, since we already had a 3e one, and 5e isn't here yet).
Anyone know where this made an appearance?  |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
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Posted - 13 Oct 2014 : 01:53:32
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I reckon it was from one of the "Backdrop" FR Dragon magazine articles. Away from my sources at the moment but someone will be along directly to give you the correct reference.
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"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 13 Oct 2014 : 16:04:20
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Turns out it was for the War of Everlasting Darkness hybrid (4e/5e) module/adventure path, which didn't see a lot of traction and just fizzled-out. Damn shame - that map is SWEET!
They SHOULD do a backdrop article for it, just to re-use it. Its a damn shame that no context was ever given for that map (other then the adventure, which really doesn't get into any background at all). They probably had plans for something along those lines, and then when they went in another direction it never saw the light of day (why else commission such a gorgeous map for an adventure which barely touches upon the map itself?)
Anyhow, I am glad I looked into it, because there was a lot of weird-but-interesting lore that went with all of that (Eberron?!  ) |
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Edited by - Markustay on 15 Oct 2014 18:23:53 |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
6645 Posts |
Posted - 16 Oct 2014 : 06:12:49
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Oh I doubt it will fizzle out. I can see a use for it in the next couple of months.
-- George Krashos |
"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus |
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