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Originally posted by richtinIII

my brother was telling me that "MYTH" Drannor is a title. is that true?

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Originally posted by richtinIII

What does Mythal mean?

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The function of mythals is to provide defense and a pleasant environment for those who dwell within. Some also serve as a common meeting ground for races that cannot normally survive in the same environment. The powers of Myth Drannor and Myth Nantar are best known, so you might want to check the appropriate references (RoMD and C:EoE in the former case and SoFS in the latter case) for details. No two mythals are alike, but all have a wide range of major and minor powers. I often think of them as the "climate controlled utopia" of Disney's 1950's version of the future.

Mythals are essentially living things and can become corrupted, such as happened to Myth Drannor, and then their powers can get wild and/or dangerous. One way of destroying them is the Gatekeeper's Crystal (mentioned in The North and detailed in VGtATM).

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There are/were a lot more than three mythal cities, and there are many "near-mythals" as well. True mythals include those created by wizards and those created by elven High Mages. (I've often wondered if there's not a priestly variant as well.) I think Myth Drannor falls in the former camp and Myth Nantar in the latter camp, but I don't know for sure. "Near-mythals" are usually extensive magical wards, such as those created by the wizard spell "Wardmist" (detailed in various Volo's Guides). Of the true mythal cities, these are the ones we currently know about ...

Myth Drannor (detailed in Cormanthyr: Empire of Elves and Ruins of Myth Drannor)
Myth Nantar (mentioned in RoMD and detailed in Sea of Fallen Stars and (partially) in the Wyrmskull Throne)
Myth Lharest (mentioned in RoMD, briefly described in Lands of Intrigue: Amn and Faiths & Avatars (Selune write-up))
Myth Glauroch (mentioned in RoMD)
Myth Dyraalis (discussed in Lands of Intrigue: Tethyr
Myth Rhynn (discussed in Lands of Intrigue: Tethyr)
Myth Unnohyr (discussed in Lands of Intrigue: Tethyr)
Myth Ondeth (mentioned in VGtATM and Cormanthyr: Empire of Elves)
Myth Iiscar, a flying city which as fallen onto the isle of Lantan (discussed in Cormanthyr)
Myth Adofhaer, last city of Siluvanede in the High Forest, placed, along with its inhabitants, into stasis and removed from Faerun until certain conditions are met to restore it and its people to the Realms. (discussed in Cormanthyr)
Ascalhorn (the mythal is mentioned in The North and Hellgate Keep)

Of course, one wonders why Ascalhorn wasn't called "Myth Ascalhorn" or something like that ... ;-)

Although it's not a city, I seem to recall that Herald's Holdfast is protected by a mythal as well. I don't have my references handy to check.

Also, for info on Myth Ondeth, see Eric Boyd's Mintiper's Chapbooks at: http://www.wizards.com/forgottenrealms/FR_Features.asp

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Originally posted by richtinIII

than why arent they called Myth........

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Originally posted by rowwhenn

Thanks Wooly Rupert for the link !

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Originally posted by richtinIII

are myhals only on aber-toril?
and how would you go about creating this mythal if i were a mage?

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Originally posted by Hymn

An interesting note to add is that the reason it is called a Mythal is because of it's original creator, High mage Mythanthor who gave his life to create the first Mythal, the one surrounding Myth Drannor. If you want to read more about the creation of mythals etc, I recommend reading Cormanthyr: Empire of Elves.

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Originally posted by Steven Schend


Who'll note that names don't always fall in line with his Elvish notes, since it takes some linguistic gymnastics to translate Mythanthor's own name as "One set apart to enrich the forest"

PS: Note that Mythanthor was named by Ed, this linguistic work post dates the character's creation, and if forced to, I'd conjure up a rationale that this name was one he took on after blasted by backlash and removed from the High Wizards' ranks; therefore, what his name and house was before is unknown, though to elves irrelevant.

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Originally posted by richtinIII

are myhals only on aber-toril?

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Originally posted by rowwhenn



With the Mythallar, Shadovars created fly-city ... and remember the novels of Dragonlancefrom Weis and Hickman + the Ad&d world Krynn ...

With imagination , and the modification of the background, you can find somewhere else ...

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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Off the top of my head, I don't know if the mythal-creation process has been flipped to 3.x. The 2E rules for doing it are found in Cormanthyr: Empire of the Elves. 'Tis actually a ritual, and requires multiple spellcasters.

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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
To the best of my knowledge, there's nothing even vaguely mythal-like on any other game world published by WotC.

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All those were were castles ripped out of the ground by an insane amount of magic.

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Originally posted by George Krashos
Rich Baker just posted this on the "other" FR Boards:

"Most of the mythal effects in Forsaken House I made up for the story. As far as when or if you'll see some of those rules, Ancient Empires includes a mythal-building system that marries up epic level rules with some of the 2nd edition capabilities of mythals."

I told you "Ancient Empires" was going to be good.

-- George Krashos

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Originally posted by George Krashos

Just to set the record straight, Steven hasn't swiped anyone else's attempts to create an elvish language - hence he doesn't have any "sources" for his translations (other than his own noggin). Ed may have provided a few elvish words here and there but the elvish you see in "Cormanthyr" and "Fall of Myth Drannor" is Steven's work. I'm wondering if he'll ever get a gig as a freelancer on upcoming FR products - especially considering the stated policy of having at least one freelancer and one staff writer on every FR product ... I know I'd be over the moon to see the name "Steven E Schend" on another FR product.

-- George Krashos

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Originally posted by richtinIII

are mythals a consept still used in present day FR AD&D 2nd ed.?

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Originally posted by richtinIII

Steven
were did you get all that information on the languages of elves??

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Originally posted by Hymn

An interesting note to add is that the reason it is called a Mythal is because of it's original creator, High mage Mythanthor who gave his life to create the first Mythal, the one surrounding Myth Drannor. If you want to read more about the creation of mythals etc, I recommend reading Cormanthyr: Empire of Elves.

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Actually, that's only partially correct. Mythanthor is the wizard responsible for Myth Drannor's mythal, and he is the original creator of a wizardly mythal (at least in elven style; the Shoon managed a few near-mythals during their rise and reign). Mythanthor was not a High Mage when he created his spell and he was prevented from ever touching High Magic due to magical backlash.

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To the elves, mythals were tied to places and to natural energies as well as mystical energies, thus the term Mythal. When standing alone, "myth" as a title hints that the area has a mythal, while its meaning shifts; many elven cities have singular names, but when they have titles ala Myth Drannor, the title underscores its translation as "place set apart from others."

Drannor is an odd word in Elvish but very loosely translates to Common as "No hatred, nothing but love/passion/true essence." Thus, Myth Drannor becomes "The Place Apart for No Hatreds," in some sense. Too bad it didn't fulfill that promise.

Then again, this is all unofficial and conjecture, as I've no official standing to make these comments. They're just ideas and such from my notes and thinking on these things. Take them for what they're worth.

Steven
Who'll note that names don't always fall in line with his Elvish notes, since it takes some linguistic gymnastics to translate Mythanthor's own name as "One set apart to enrich the forest"

PS: Note that Mythanthor was named by Ed, this linguistic work post dates the character's creation, and if forced to, I'd conjure up a rationale that this name was one he took on after blasted by backlash and removed from the High Wizards' ranks; therefore, what his name and house was before is unknown, though to elves irrelevant.

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