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jordanz
Senior Scribe
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 Posted - 05 May 2012 : 08:42:22
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adventuring party? The realms most prominent and capable epic adventurers banding together to face threats no one else could hope to oppose.
Purposed team
Drizzt
Aoth Fezrim
Cadderly the Ghost King
Arthrogate
Shandril's great grandaughter hier to the Spellfire
Erevis Cale's Spawn
Pharaun the wizard resurrected yet again.../or Araevin Teshurr
Honestly I wouldn't mind seeing a kickazz nigh epic/epic adventuring party take on the awesome baddies in the realms.
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Thauranil
Master of Realmslore
India
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Posted - 05 May 2012 : 08:50:51
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 05 May 2012 : 08:51:37
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Yes. But my list is completely differently. Certainly no Drizzt. |
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Irennan
Great Reader
Italy
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Posted - 05 May 2012 : 08:56:04
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Uhm... AFAIK, people complaining about things like that is one of the reasons that led to the 4e Realms (you know, things like ''what's the point of making a character, the super epic party will solve every single problem before me'').
That said, I don't like these kind of things too much. I'm totally fine with having powerful good NPCs (and with having them, even in group, offering aid in the most important battles) but making a super group to face EVERY big threat in the Realms sounds like a bit too much to me. |
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Thauranil
Master of Realmslore
India
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Posted - 05 May 2012 : 09:11:47
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My own group would be:
Elminister ,The Simbul( Ultimate heavy hitters)
Drizzt, Wulfgar ( one of the best warrior teams ever)
Erevis Cale ( priest/ assassin/ Chosen of Mask, what more do you want!)
Aoth Fezim ( Tactical genius, highly capable war mage)
Fox at Twilight( thief/ eye candy, will probably rob everyone else on the team) |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 05 May 2012 : 16:15:53
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But they need an Avengers as well (and as pointed-out in the cross-overs, the JLAers are more 'godlike', so we need a more 'earthly' group to represent the Avengers).
Then they can fight, and we can bring in some aberrations to represent the Mutants.... and an actual cyclops to represent Cyclops.
Hmmmmm... A cyclops with an optic power... funny, you never know where a thread will lead you...  |
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Aulduron
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 05 May 2012 : 17:09:15
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 05 May 2012 : 17:14:48
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The Red Skull?  |
"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 05 May 2012 : 17:18:25
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Originally posted by The Sage
I thought the Realms already had the Justice League? *snicker*
Yeah, that was my thought, as well. |
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Lord Karsus
Great Reader
USA
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36779 Posts |
Posted - 05 May 2012 : 17:24:33
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Originally posted by Irennan
Uhm... AFAIK, people complaining about things like that is one of the reasons that led to the 4e Realms (you know, things like ''what's the point of making a character, the super epic party will solve every single problem before me'').
That said, I don't like these kind of things too much. I'm totally fine with having powerful good NPCs (and with having them, even in group, offering aid in the most important battles) but making a super group to face EVERY big threat in the Realms sounds like a bit too much to me.
That's my thinking.
Plus, even without those complaints, there are a lot of problems with trying to implement this.
How is this team first assembled?
How does the team know where there is something to fight?
How does the team get there?
With avatars, Chosen of various deities, high-level wizards and clerics, dragons, liches, and other powerful entities scattered all about the Realms, why is it necessary for there to be a single special response team to deal with odd threats?
And lastly... What kinds of Realms-specific threats would they respond to, anyway? The Realms doesn't have "we must stop this nastybad to save the world!" plots all that oft... |
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jordanz
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 05 May 2012 : 18:58:24
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
That's my thinking.
Plus, even without those complaints, there are a lot of problems with trying to implement this.
How is this team first assembled?
Any manner of ways, they could be "compelled" to meet somewhere by a higher power (say an enigmatic deity of "Justice" or "balance" or someone like the Lady of Pain)
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How does the team know where there is something to fight?
The team is gifted with an ancient artifact, "The globe of Omens" that generally points them to the vicinity of the worst threats or threats that have yet to fully unravel.
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How does the team get there?
Their headquarters could be located within a section of the Hall of Mirrors. They'd pretty much have access to anywhere in the realms from there....
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With avatars, Chosen of various deities, high-level wizards and clerics, dragons, liches, and other powerful entities scattered all about the Realms, why is it necessary for there to be a single special response team to deal with odd threats?
I never said there should be only one (no pun intended :)). But they would be the elite team, the "A" team.
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And lastly... What kinds of Realms-specific threats would they respond to, anyway? The Realms doesn't have "we must stop this nastybad to save the world!" plots all that oft...
Well they get together when needed, not an everyday thing, but surely there no shortage of "save the world" threats to the realms.
Just to name a few...
Abolethic Sovereignty
Blood War
Phearimm
Threats from Shade Kingdom
The possibilities are many.
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 05 May 2012 : 19:46:48
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I had mentally written an 'end of the world' scenario for the Realms, featuring all the 'big guns', and it included a covert organization dedicated to neither good nor evil, but rather, protecting Toril from any sort of planet-wide threats.
Something invades, whether spatially or from another plane, and begins exterminating everyone (a'la Independence Day), and Elminster calls upon a special 'gathering ritual' he had hoped he would never have to use - one that would include many beings considered 'evil'. In most cases, the members of this 'secret society' wouldn't even remember they had joined (part of the secret), either willingly having their memories erased (Szass Tam), or forcibly doing so after bringing them into the fold (Manshoon).
The ritual that summons them also 'awakens' their memories, so that when they arrive (its a mass Simultaneous teleport, from ANYWHERE to some super-secret location), they know why they've been summoned - they are Toril's last line of defense. They don't have to like each other - in fact, I picture many arguments breaking out - but they understand things have to be nearly hopeless for them to have been gathered. Kind of like a Torillian Illuminati.
In fact, I even pictured it building-up with scenes on various worlds - Krynn, Oerth, Athas, Mystara, etc - with them falling, and Realmspace being the last safe-haven in the Multiverse. And one by one they fall, in the end, heroes all... the story should end in loss, not victory (I feel a win would really detract from this type of story).
Anyhow, that's how I always pictured the Realms ending - out with a bang, not a whimper. Aren't you guys glad I'm not in charge?
P.S. - it should be obvious to 'comic guys' (like Sage) that I am a big fan of "What If" stories - I wish WotC could get away with those kinds of books. It might even be a good way to usher-in a new edition - if we think we've had it bad, show us a world where things 'went down' much worse (it could even be a way of disarming the grognardise and foiling the anti-detail crowd all at once - make it canon that multiple versions of Toril exist). |
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jordanz
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 05 May 2012 : 20:20:02
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Originally posted by Markustay
I had mentally written an 'end of the world' scenario for the Realms, featuring all the 'big guns', and it included a covert organization dedicated to neither good nor evil, but rather, protecting Toril from any sort of planet-wide threats.
Something invades, whether spatially or from another plane, and begins exterminating everyone (a'la Independence Day), and Elminster calls upon a special 'gathering ritual' he had hoped he would never have to use - one that would include many beings considered 'evil'. In most cases, the members of this 'secret society' wouldn't even remember they had joined (part of the secret), either willingly having their memories erased (Szass Tam), or forcibly doing so after bringing them into the fold (Manshoon).
The ritual that summons them also 'awakens' their memories, so that when they arrive (its a mass Simultaneous teleport, from ANYWHERE to some super-secret location), they know why they've been summoned - they are Toril's last line of defense. They don't have to like each other - in fact, I picture many arguments breaking out - but they understand things have to be nearly hopeless for them to have been gathered. Kind of like a Torillian Illuminati.
In fact, I even pictured it building-up with scenes on various worlds - Krynn, Oerth, Athas, Mystara, etc - with them falling, and Realmspace being the last safe-haven in the Multiverse. And one by one they fall, in the end, heroes all... the story should end in loss, not victory (I feel a win would really detract from this type of story).
Anyhow, that's how I always pictured the Realms ending - out with a bang, not a whimper. Aren't you guys glad I'm not in charge?
P.S. - it should be obvious to 'comic guys' (like Sage) that I am a big fan of "What If" stories - I wish WotC could get away with those kinds of books. It might even be a good way to usher-in a new edition - if we think we've had it bad, show us a world where things 'went down' much worse (it could even be a way of disarming the grognardise and foiling the anti-detail crowd all at once - make it canon that multiple versions of Toril exist).
That sounds really interesting... |
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sfdragon
Great Reader
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Posted - 05 May 2012 : 22:13:03
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we already have an avengers team.
Those who harp. |
why is being a wizard like being a drow? both are likely to find a dagger in the back from a rival or one looking to further his own goals, fame and power
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Dalor Darden
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 06 May 2012 : 00:29:03
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quote:
Originally posted by sfdragon
we already have an avengers team.
Those who harp.
Nah...the Harpers are more like a less corrupt version of S.H.I.E.L.D. to me. |
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jordanz
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 06 May 2012 : 01:01:59
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Originally posted by Dalor Darden
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Originally posted by sfdragon
we already have an avengers team.
Those who harp.
Nah...the Harpers are more like a less corrupt version of S.H.I.E.L.D. to me.
Agreed, the closest I can think of was "the seven", but they seemed pretty localized. "The nine" with Khelban and crew must have been formidable however I'm not too sure what scope there adventures covered.
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 06 May 2012 : 01:04:19
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Originally posted by Markustay
Then they can fight, and we can bring in some aberrations to represent the Mutants.... and an actual cyclops to represent Cyclops.
Aberrations are more like those hideous mutants (forgot their group's name) in X-Men who live underground. |
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 06 May 2012 : 01:07:23
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Originally posted by sfdragon
we already have an avengers team.
Those who harp.
Nah. Only Elminster would qualify. |
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Dalor Darden
Great Reader
USA
4211 Posts |
Posted - 06 May 2012 : 01:07:26
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 06 May 2012 : 01:09:46
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Originally posted by Dalor Darden
Morlocks
Ah, yes. Thanks. |
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
3286 Posts |
Posted - 06 May 2012 : 01:13:17
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Lord Karsus
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 06 May 2012 : 01:38:34
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Originally posted by Markustay
P.S. - it should be obvious to 'comic guys' (like Sage) that I am a big fan of "What If" stories - I wish WotC could get away with those kinds of books. It might even be a good way to usher-in a new edition - if we think we've had it bad, show us a world where things 'went down' much worse (it could even be a way of disarming the grognardise and foiling the anti-detail crowd all at once - make it canon that multiple versions of Toril exist).
-What If? was a really cool series (I liked it too), but I really don't think that What If?: Forgotten Realms would be a very good idea. Without even getting further in depth, theoretical resources spent on 'what if' scenario adventures, novels, articles, sourcebooks, whatever, would be theoretical resources not spent on the Forgotten Realms.
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Originally posted by Brimstone
So who would be the Fantastic 4?
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 06 May 2012 : 01:40:49
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Originally posted by Brimstone
So who would be the Fantastic 4?
Elminster
Zalathorm
The Simbul
Aoth Fezim
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31701 Posts |
Posted - 06 May 2012 : 02:11:15
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
quote:
Originally posted by Irennan
Uhm... AFAIK, people complaining about things like that is one of the reasons that led to the 4e Realms (you know, things like ''what's the point of making a character, the super epic party will solve every single problem before me'').
That said, I don't like these kind of things too much. I'm totally fine with having powerful good NPCs (and with having them, even in group, offering aid in the most important battles) but making a super group to face EVERY big threat in the Realms sounds like a bit too much to me.
That's my thinking.
Plus, even without those complaints, there are a lot of problems with trying to implement this.
How is this team first assembled?
It wouldn't be too hard to formulate a Realms-Avengers in a similar fashion to that of the Marvel heroes -- combining to counter a threat that they all couldn't handle separately. Kind of like the mentality of the Harpers, or the Moonstars, I suppose.
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How does the team know where there is something to fight?
Drawing from Marvel's Defenders... they could draw their sense of what and where to fight evil from a powerful arcanist in their midst who monitors the realm via specialised "seeing stones."
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How does the team get there?
Again, drawing from the Defenders, we could have these Realms Avengers setting up base near a well-established and stable network of portals. Or perhaps there is a mage among them who controls powerful planar travel magicks.
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With avatars, Chosen of various deities, high-level wizards and clerics, dragons, liches, and other powerful entities scattered all about the Realms, why is it necessary for there to be a single special response team to deal with odd threats?
The same question could be asked of the Avengers... especially when ultra-powerful folk like the Hulk and Thor can and will defend the Earth on their own.
The simple fact is, as powerful as these avatars, Chosen, and high-level wizards are... they can't be everywhere countering every threat to the public safety of the Realms. Small teams of special response heroes -- perhaps following something like the Fifty-State Avengers Initative that was a result of Marvel's Super-Hero Civil War [in order to restore the public's trust in costumed heroes, each American state would have their own Avengers team sanctioned and registered by the State and Federal governments -- with mandates to tackle any and all threats to their domain].
Perhaps something similar could work in the Realms -- or, perhaps, already does. I'd imagine the Harpers have specialised groups of operatives and agents hidden in most of the Realms most troublesome spots and locales.
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And lastly... What kinds of Realms-specific threats would they respond to, anyway? The Realms doesn't have "we must stop this nastybad to save the world!" plots all that oft...
Agreed.
Just like the Avengers of old... this group would only come together when necessary. They wouldn't stay together, and certainly would adventure across the Realms fighting setting-wide threats on a daily basis. These Realms Avengers would only come together when an RSE threatened the future of the world. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 06 May 2012 : 02:12:07
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Originally posted by sfdragon
we already have an avengers team.
Those who harp.
Oooo! That could make the Moonstars as the Dark Avengers. But, on second thought, that would also make Khelben as Norman Osborn... and I don't think Sage Schend would like that too much. |
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sfdragon
Great Reader
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Posted - 06 May 2012 : 02:13:54
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you ever notice that most of the big wig groups such as teh companions of the hall, the chosen, various other groups were all localized groups....
only the harpers,zhents and a few others were not |
why is being a wizard like being a drow? both are likely to find a dagger in the back from a rival or one looking to further his own goals, fame and power
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jordanz
Senior Scribe
553 Posts |
Posted - 06 May 2012 : 03:30:26
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Originally posted by Brimstone
So who would be the Fantastic 4?
I nominate the Harpells
Harkle Harpell - is Mr Fantastic
Matherly Harpell (he was turned to stone) - is the Thing
Bella don DelRoy Harpell - daughter of DelRoy -Invisible Woman
Bidderdoo Harpell Human Torch |
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 06 May 2012 : 03:41:26
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quote:
Originally posted by jordanz
quote:
Originally posted by Brimstone
So who would be the Fantastic 4?
I nominate the Harpells
Harkle Harpell - is Mr Fantastic
Matherly Harpell (he was turned to stone) - is the Thing
Bella don DelRoy Harpell - daughter of DelRoy -Invisible Woman
Bidderdoo Harpell Human Torch
Oooo. I seriously second this. |
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
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Posted - 06 May 2012 : 06:34:45
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Forgotten Realms Avengers totally needs to happen.
Here's my team:
Drizzt Do'Urden as Captain America: Super soldier from another time and place, noble but often an outsider.
Elminster Aumar as Iron Man: Brash but undeniably powerful blaster with more riches than he knows what to do with, noted lover of the ladies.
Arilyn Moonblade as Spider-Woman: Skilled lone-wolf operative with some deep covert contacts, goes her own way.
Wulfgar as Thor: Strong man and heir to the power of an ancient people, prone to rages.
Alias as Ms. Marvel: Powerful woman warrior with some serious power, persistent identity crisis.
Khelben "Blackstaff" Arunsun as Nick Fury: Pragmatic mastermind and all-around badass, has some serious history.
Kyriana Agrivar as the Scarlet Witch: Sorceress powerhouse, conflicted aspects of her heritage.
Fox-at-Twilight as Black Widow: Alluring lady spy, of dubious loyalties and motives.
Drasek Riven as Hawkeye: Morally shady assassin, able to take that extra step when necessary.
Thibbledorf Pwent as The Incredible Hulk: 'Nuff said.
Cheers
P.S. And Szass Tam is totally the Red Skull and Manshoon is totally Dr. Doom. It's obvious, isn't it? |
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Do the realms need an "Avengers"
