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The Red Walker
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 Posted - 22 Jan 2008 : 18:43:57
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If you are excited about the New Realms, tell us why here.
Positives only please, there are several scrolls already dealing with the negatives!
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 22 Jan 2008 : 21:28:23
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| Assuming the 4E designers stick to their own words, less RSEs and more "personal" stories. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
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TwigB
Acolyte
South Africa
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Posted - 22 Jan 2008 : 21:44:13
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Assuming the 4E designers stick to their own words, less RSEs and more "personal" stories.
Yes, very true. I think I've had my fill of RSE for the time being. I hope they plan on giving the new Realms a time to breath before going the RSE route.
To get back on topic, like I said in my previous post, I like the idea of Sembia being controlled by the Shades. I've been quite partial to them for quite some time, but due to their limited geography I found it hard to incorporate them into my campaigns. Now that they control an entire region they'll be much more accessible to all levels of play.
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Spree Thunderheart
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 22 Jan 2008 : 21:49:49
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-Advancing the timeline to where the Forgotten Realms are actually Forgotten again. There are new lands to be explored with new stories to be told.
-The Epic NPC’s are gone. Yep, you can throw me into that category of people that thought this was the biggest weakness of the Realms. |
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Ranak
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 22 Jan 2008 : 22:12:15
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I am looking forward to a shuffling of the Pantheon, it was getting a bit stale. It is also consistent with the real world, in which every polytheistic culture added, removed and renamed their gods as needed (aton to amon to amon re and back again, lol., Catholic Saints, etc.) When the world changes, it makes sense for the theology of it to change as well.
Great opportunities for more story telling there.
I am also looking forward to some shifts in the power struggle. The rise of Shade is interesting and the collapse of the Southern kingoms is a welcome change. Truly looking forward to seeing how Thay comes out of all this.
I was tired of reading about the seven sisters, the chosen of Mystra and Drizzt. This takes care of two out of the three, which, as they say, ain't bad.
The idea of more dangerous environs is also fun, a more perilous world. This syncs up with the game rule changes nicely (if, as they say, you can have 12 enounters straight without resting).
Chaos is always an opportunity for new stories, new heroes, etc. I thoroughly look forward to it, as much as I looked forward to finding out about Realm's past, I now look to writing the future. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 22 Jan 2008 : 22:24:57
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Originally posted by Ranak
I was tired of reading about the seven sisters, the chosen of Mystra and Drizzt. This takes care of two out of the three, which, as they say, ain't bad.
Elminster is still around, though.
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"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 22 Jan 2008 : 22:37:25
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| Ed's detailing some areas of the Realms that haven't been detailed before, so that's a good thing. |
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
USA
3563 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jan 2008 : 22:42:49
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I like the idea of Sembia paying for it's past sins by toiling under the Shadovar
Also like that El is still around somewhere, and won't be heartbroken if Lhaeo isn't!
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A little nonsense now and then, relished by the wisest men - Willy Wonka
"We need men who can dream of things that never were." -
John F. Kennedy, speech in Dublin, Ireland, June 28, 1963
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 22 Jan 2008 : 23:07:43
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
Ed's detailing some areas of the Realms that haven't been detailed before, so that's a good thing.
Oh yeah, that too! I look forward to that. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
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TwigB
Acolyte
South Africa
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Posted - 22 Jan 2008 : 23:47:07
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
I like the idea of Sembia paying for it's past sins by toiling under the Shadovar
Also like that El is still around somewhere, and won't be heartbroken if Lhaeo isn't!
I won't mind if El is still around, although I do look forward to what Ed has done to him . I mean he survived the death of Mystra once, that must have been quite traumatic. But now he's lost her again, so you'd imagine him being quite shaken, maybe even stark raving mad! I doubt you'd remain very sane after losing one of the most important people in your life...twice.
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
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Posted - 22 Jan 2008 : 23:55:29
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
I like the idea of Sembia paying for it's past sins by toiling under the Shadovar
Also like that El is still around somewhere, and won't be heartbroken if Lhaeo isn't!
I won't mind if El is still around, although I do look forward to what Ed has done to him . I mean he survived the death of Mystra once, that must have been quite traumatic. But now he's lost her again, so you'd imagine him being quite shaken, maybe even stark raving mad! I doubt you'd remain very sane after losing one of the most important people in your life...twice.
I think it will affect him for sure, but not as greatly as most seem to feel.
I just do not think her has ever been as close to Midnight/Mystra as he was Mystra, so it will not be a blow that he could not recover from.
Although I can easily see him going on a "vengence tour" of the realms. He will surely master the "new magic" faster than almost all others and will no longer be constrained by Mystra. I think he has a few scores to settle. Especially if the Witch Queen falls in the spellplague. If the Simbul would die, or be dehabilitaed....I could see Ed.....Errr I mean El  ...go on a rampage across the realms destroying followers of Shar.
Now that would be justice served, El decimating Shar's followers, weakening her enough to be snubbed out by another god.
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A little nonsense now and then, relished by the wisest men - Willy Wonka
"We need men who can dream of things that never were." -
John F. Kennedy, speech in Dublin, Ireland, June 28, 1963
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TwigB
Acolyte
South Africa
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Posted - 23 Jan 2008 : 00:06:56
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
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Originally posted by TwigB
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
I like the idea of Sembia paying for it's past sins by toiling under the Shadovar
Also like that El is still around somewhere, and won't be heartbroken if Lhaeo isn't!
I won't mind if El is still around, although I do look forward to what Ed has done to him . I mean he survived the death of Mystra once, that must have been quite traumatic. But now he's lost her again, so you'd imagine him being quite shaken, maybe even stark raving mad! I doubt you'd remain very sane after losing one of the most important people in your life...twice.
I think it will affect him for sure, but not as greatly as most seem to feel.
I just do not think her has ever been as close to Midnight/Mystra as he was Mystra, so it will not be a blow that he could not recover from.
Although I can easily see him going on a "vengence tour" of the realms. He will surely master the "new magic" faster than almost all others and will no longer be constrained by Mystra. I think he has a few scores to settle. Especially if the Witch Queen falls in the spellplague. If the Simbul would die, or be dehabilitaed....I could see Ed.....Errr I mean El...go on a rampage across the realms destroying followers of Shar.
Now that would be justice served, El decimating Shar's followers, weakening her enough to be snubbed out by another god.
Now THAT would be quite the spectacle. Elminster going all Kill Bill on followers of Shar...neat |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 23 Jan 2008 : 00:14:17
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I'm looking forward to the lore from Brian R James and Ed...
I'm also intrigued by Tymanther.
I'm very much looking forward to learning what Waterdeep is now like... though I don't like the Walking Statues having been left in place. And I worry that the city may have lost some of its magic -- the City of Splendors has long been my favorite place in the Realms. |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 23 Jan 2008 : 00:29:37
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| I'm also kind of interested in Rich's Moonsea trilogy that he has been talking about, though I'll likely have to wait for the softcover version of the books. I'm especially on board if he does manage a Spelljammer foray into the second book that he said he'd like to write. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 23 Jan 2008 : 00:33:19
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Mostly, Ed-related Realmslore is what I'm mainly looking for in 4e FR. And the possibility of Brian bringing in a few more Spelljamming tidbits as we had discussed over at WotC.
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Ranak
Learned Scribe
USA
190 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jan 2008 : 02:10:21
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I agree wholeheartedly, a little Spelljammer love would go a long way, IMHO.
I am also looking forward to seeing what El is up to - and Tam. Is he struggling to hold Thay together? I imagine the living Zulkirs went mad with the rest of the mages.
I am neutral on Baldur's Gate becoming the biggest city in the realms via shanty-town expansion, but it will at least provide for some adventure hooks.
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Originally posted by The Sage
Mostly, Ed-related Realmslore is what I'm mainly looking for in 4e FR. And the possibility of Brian bringing in a few more Spelljamming tidbits as we had discussed over at WotC.
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Jorkens
Great Reader
Norway
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Posted - 23 Jan 2008 : 10:49:31
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| I am looking forward to what lore Ed will spin. Also to see if there are parts of the changes that I will find interesting enough to insert in my 14th century Realms. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 23 Jan 2008 : 11:13:49
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| I hadn't heard anything about Spelljammer stuff being brought in... But you know I'd love to see more love for my first love! |
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Snotlord
Senior Scribe
Norway
476 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jan 2008 : 17:21:46
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There is a number of things I like about the new realms:
1) The future is written for the old realms. It removes a couple of self-imposed constraints.
2) Its a fresh start for me and probably many others. A new spin on Cormyr, the Dalelands and so on. We really need a solution on the Elminster vs Fzoul stalemate. We can explore those lands all over again.
3) The beloved Amn is finally developed. Hopefully.
4) More lore in the core book, from what I read somewhere. Splitting the lore from the crunch is a very good idea.
... so I am positive. Mostly. |
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Spree Thunderheart
Acolyte
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Posted - 23 Jan 2008 : 17:44:00
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I'm looking forward to the lore from Brian R James and Ed...
I'm also intrigued by Tymanther.
I'm very much looking forward to learning what Waterdeep is now like... though I don't like the Walking Statues having been left in place. And I worry that the city may have lost some of its magic -- the City of Splendors has long been my favorite place in the Realms.
I am also very intrigued with Tymanther and how the true dragons will react to the dragonborn. Especially since the region was the home of some powerful chromatic dragons. |
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Hawkins
Great Reader
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Posted - 23 Jan 2008 : 17:45:47
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| The only things I can think of (my view may change after seeing the FRCG) is that Ed and Brian are working on the FRCG and working hard to make it useful and enjoyable for both the 'old guard' and for new players, and that I might end up liking the Living Forgotten Realms campaign, even though I have heard negative responses to the Living Cities campaign of 2e. |
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ShadezofDis
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 23 Jan 2008 : 21:08:28
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| Well, when I read some of the newer lore I'm sure I'll find plenty of fodder plot ideas. I'm also hoping that deities, big time power players and the other big movers and shakers are veiled again, rather than stated, written about extensively, ect. The personal stories aspect sounds really inviting too, I'd rather have stories about the everyday FR rather than the uber-climactic FR. |
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
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Posted - 23 Jan 2008 : 23:15:28
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Speaking as a reader and fan . . .
Not to involve myself in the discussion of 3e vs. 4e . . .
But one thing I particularly like is that we'll get to see legend-deserving people having become legendary. There's just something wistful and thought-provoking about that--being able to see the legacies that our favorite heroes fight for, and having been able to live part of their legend. Feeling like the setting is growing and evolving, and having experienced all of it.
(If that makes sense!)
As a corollary to this, we get to see the long-term effects and impacts of events in the present. And that has some GREAT potential right there.
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'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 23 Jan 2008 : 23:33:25
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
Speaking as a reader and fan . . .
Not to involve myself in the discussion of 3e vs. 4e . . .
But one thing I particularly like is that we'll get to see legend-deserving people having become legendary. There's just something wistful and thought-provoking about that--being able to see the legacies that our favorite heroes fight for, and having been able to live part of their legend. Feeling like the setting is growing and evolving, and having experienced all of it.
(If that makes sense!)
As a corollary to this, we get to see the long-term effects and impacts of events in the present. And that has some GREAT potential right there.
Cheers
Hmmmm.... wonders what would Walker's life expectancy be?
Also wonders how his grandchilderen turned out |
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gomez
Learned Scribe
Netherlands
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Posted - 24 Jan 2008 : 08:21:08
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I am not sure if I am objective, as I am actually only starting to get interested in the Realms.
My last exposure was in 2nd edition, when I ran a Moonshae/Bhaal adventure (forgot the title).
3rd ed was taken up by Greyhawk.
Now, I'll be playing and writing Realms stuff for the RPGA, and I have to say that, while there are changes I have reservations about, there is also a lot of cool stuff. The Moonshaes look cool as always (the fey are back with a vengeance). The collapse in the Shaar sounds like one of the most interesting features so far. I do hope the south is still there. I like Dambrath and hope to use it some day.
Anyway. I picked up the 3rd ed. campaigns etting (And a few extra books), and started reading so I at least am up to date on what the world used to look like.
Now, in this new, world, one of the most challenging for me is adding new stuff, writing scenarios and making a plotline that (hopefully) will encourage people to come play and delve into the world's lore, both past and present.
I hope to see you all at a table somewhere.
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Chosen of Moradin
Master of Realmslore
Brazil
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Posted - 24 Jan 2008 : 10:51:50
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Well, let´s see:
Sembia will be kicked
I´m with a feeling that the 4th edition will be similar to the 2nd edition tome: a good description of key areas, and only one or two paragraphs describing the other areas of the Reamls. ^^
I want to see the evolution of some npcs and organizations, too. What became of every one of them, after 94 years (not much time for a dwarf or an elf - this means that Thormuld [Darkvision] will be kicking around) |
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
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Posted - 24 Jan 2008 : 15:56:31
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
Hmmmm.... wonders what would Walker's life expectancy be?
Also wonders how his grandchilderen turned out
Good questions, both.
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Originally posted by Chosen of Moradin
I want to see the evolution of some npcs and organizations, too. What became of every one of them, after 94 years (not much time for a dwarf or an elf - this means that Thormuld [Darkvision] will be kicking around)
Also a very good point.
That was my first reaction on reading the news--I swear this phrase appeared in my head: "Twilight = elf sucka!"
Cheers
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'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
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Richard Lee Byers
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
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Posted - 24 Jan 2008 : 19:33:49
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
USA
3563 Posts |
Posted - 24 Jan 2008 : 20:31:32
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Originally posted by Richard Lee Byers
I'm told that I still will have a job writing Realms fiction.
That is positive newss indeed! |
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TwigB
Acolyte
South Africa
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Posted - 30 Jan 2008 : 23:12:59
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New information regarding the realms has come out as a lot of you probably know. They're making some radical changes especially geographically. I'm in favour of most of these changes, I like the idea of this hug gap where most of the Sea of Fallen Stars used to be, now aptly named the Underchasm.
As for Halruaa being blown to chunks, I'm not sure what to make of it, I've always been fond of that nation but I'm curious to see what the designers intend to do with that patch of land.
The only thing I'll admit to being a tad worried about is the talk of Abeir-Toril as what appears to be two separate worlds, Faerun being on Toril and who knows being on Abeir. I'm not to concerned though, as far as I can recall there has never been any mention of them being two separate worlds or one world, it was simply a name, so it gives the designers some gray space to work with. I do hope it's not supposed to be some kind of mirror world...Some sort of fantasy Matrix where you have your Sembia and your new Sembia. If it was 2 very different prime material planes living side by side one another for eons that might be interesting although I wonder how you keep and entire world hidden from its sibling. If anyone has any previous information regarding the naming of the world please post it here. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 30 Jan 2008 : 23:24:56
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Originally posted by TwigB
If anyone has any previous information regarding the naming of the world please post it here.
Jeff Grubb named the world. Here's an old quote from Ed:
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Jeff contributed the name of the planet (Toril, to which he added the prefix Abeir to shift the world entry to the front of the alphabetical listings in the Old Grey Box) from his campaign. I had no world name because the folks in Faerun knew they lived on something that curved, but considered it all one land.
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